2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Any team trading for Lindholm in the offseason wants him long term and a contract extension helps his value. Meaningless at the deadline

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It is absolutely pointless to move Kadri after the stretch drive he had. They invested in him. He's shown he can be better. For a period at the start of the year, he was the Flames' best player — period.

I'm confident he'll rebound under a strong communicator at the head coach position. He's a proud guy and a competitor. The way people are talking about him, you'd think he's some sort of diva. He's clearly not.

While I don't completely disagree, how many points a year (assuming we're basing results on points), does Kadri have to put up per season for his contract to be worthwhile? If he's the second scoring option on this team does he have the capability to fight through the opposing teams' best defence to produce into his 30s? I'm very skeptical of that. In Colorado opposing teams had to shut down Rantanen, Makar, Landeskog, and McKinnon, while also being concerned with smaller threats in Nichushkin and Toews. So somewhere along the lines you don't have to match up against the best defenders. On Calgary the focus is on a few. Anyway, at $7.5M/season, he's gotta put up 70 points consistently for him to be worthwhile. It should be very possible to do in his first 3 years, even against the toughest matchups he'll have to face, but beyond that I have my serious doubts.

[Royle9]

Some of you severely undervalue Lindholm.
Just about every hockey mind and voice/personality has him as the 2nd best 200ft centre behind Bergeron.

If you don’t think he couldn’t fetch the 3 o/a you’re crazy.
Not saying Columbus does it, but the value is most certainly there in spades.
People value picks too much, yes you’re going to draft a fantastic young kid, but there’s no guarantee he ends up being as good as Lindholm is today.

If Columbus values an extended Lindholm now and sees the chemistry with Johnny as being important then they would be stupid not to.

Would it suck to lose him in Calgary? Yep it sure would, but between his displeasure and end of season comments you simply have to explore it, and if Columbus actually is dangling the 3rd pick then you need to seriously consider it.

What can’t be overlooked is what Lindholms next contract is.
He’s surely looking at 8.5M+ just based on Market value, and unfortunately the flames cannot afford to sign another 29/30+ year guy to a max value contract, sadly we’re already handcuffed.

The smart move is trading him to get younger and better in the future.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bluejays

While I don't completely disagree, how many points a year (assuming we're basing results on points), does Kadri have to put up per season for his contract to be worthwhile? If he's the second scoring option on this team does he have the capability to fight through the opposing teams' best defence to produce into his 30s? I'm very skeptical of that. In Colorado opposing teams had to shut down Rantanen, Makar, Landeskog, and McKinnon, while also being concerned with smaller threats in Nichushkin and Toews. So somewhere along the lines you don't have to match up against the best defenders. On Calgary the focus is on a few. Anyway, at $7.5M/season, he's gotta put up 70 points consistently for him to be worthwhile. It should be very possible to do in his first 3 years, even against the toughest matchups he'll have to face, but beyond that I have my serious doubts.

I get the worry about how that contract is going to age. What I don't get is all the talk as if he was completely terrible last season. There were points where he obviously got frustrated for all the losing last season, and like with other players, I don't think he liked the coaching decisions. But taken as whole, year one of the contract wasn't terrible. He is a supporting cast kind of player, not a player who should be expected to carry the team, and he lived up to that for the most part.

Sure, if you can trade him to avoid the inevitable backslide in the latter half of the contract, it would make sense if you also didn't have to add a sweetener. If you do have to add a sweetener, might as well just keep him and hope for the best. Same thing with Huberdeau. If you can get rid of that contract and not have to add, then do it. Otherwise, keep him and hope for a rebound.

[Bonded]

For me it is less about if Lindholm is worth the third overall which is very debatable but more why would Columbus pay the 3rd overall. There would have to be another team in that pick range that also wants Lindholm and would offer a plus that is equal to third overall or a team offering a player that has similar value to the third overall. Jarmo isn't going to come in and overpay when his competition is offering late firsts and prospects.

[Mr.Coffee]

Personally I think the 3 overall for Lindholm makes sense for both teams, and is about fair in value (if he’s extended). Otherwise Calgary has to add a little bit, maybe a 3/4 rd pick or something.

I also think it’s something Calgary should do.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It is absolutely pointless to move Kadri after the stretch drive he had. They invested in him. He's shown he can be better. For a period at the start of the year, he was the Flames' best player — period.

I'm confident he'll rebound under a strong communicator at the head coach position. He's a proud guy and a competitor. The way people are talking about him, you'd think he's some sort of diva. He's clearly not.

A very strong case can be made that he actually is precisely that. He was far from a professional, that’s for sure.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Any team trading for Lindholm in the offseason wants him long term and a contract extension helps his value. Meaningless at the deadline

I don't know. I think he could have a lot of value to some teams as a year long rental without a long term commitment. If a team thinks they have one more year if the window and it's either Cup or rebuild after that, they might prefer to have him on an expiring deal for flexibility down the road. The kind of contract Lindholm is likely going to get are also the kinds that tend to be very difficult to move if things go sour. Teams might prefer to just see how he does in a new setting before extending him. We have all seen how it can go extending a player before then play even one game,

[Jiri Hrdina]

For those saying third overall is a realistic deal for Lindholm can you find a single similar example of a top 3 pick being dealt for that this of return?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't know. I think he could have a lot of value to some teams as a year long rental without a long term commitment. If a team thinks they have one more year if the window and it's either Cup or rebuild after that, they might prefer to have him on an expiring deal for flexibility down the road. The kind of contract Lindholm is likely going to get are also the kinds that tend to be very difficult to move if things go sour. Teams might prefer to just see how he does in a new setting before extending him. We have all seen how it can go extending a player before then play even one game,

If he goes in the offseason I think he signs as soon as he can. What teams are in a one year window? It's basically the Flames lol

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For those saying third overall is a realistic deal for Lindholm can you find a single similar example of a top 3 pick being dealt for that this of return?

I took a quick glance and Fedotenko returned a 4th overall and Weekes was the centerpiece for 5th overall. So never say never lol.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I get the worry about how that contract is going to age. What I don't get is all the talk as if he was completely terrible last season. There were points where he obviously got frustrated for all the losing last season, and like with other players, I don't think he liked the coaching decisions. But taken as whole, year one of the contract wasn't terrible. He is a supporting cast kind of player, not a player who should be expected to carry the team, and he lived up to that for the most part.

Sure, if you can trade him to avoid the inevitable backslide in the latter half of the contract, it would make sense if you also didn't have to add a sweetener. If you do have to add a sweetener, might as well just keep him and hope for the best. Same thing with Huberdeau. If you can get rid of that contract and not have to add, then do it. Otherwise, keep him and hope for a rebound.

If he was the Flames only long term age anchor I wouldn’t care too much. But the medium to long term ramifications are very concerning. Huberdeau is a legit first liner so I can see the justification there. But compounded with Kadhri and Coleman, this team really needs to get more long term flexibility. In a few seasons when Coronato or others need to be signed long term these contracts are going to be anchors we definitely can’t get out of. I look at Toronto, and though their situation is different, look at what was once a superstar in Tavares. He’s only 33 and with two years left on his contract they wanna get out. When you really need the money these situations can be killers. I just think they should explore it at the very least. Huberdeau I can kinda live with as he has shown franchise numbers. Nobody else deserves that term though.

[bluejays]

Lindholm isn’t in the same convo as Bergeron or Stone or Barkov to get a third overall pick. That’s a dream. If it was a team on the cusp and had a terrible year like Colorado a few seasons back I could see a team that would make a pitch around that but one for one I’d say it’s close to impossible that any owner would agree to a one for one swap of Lindholm for #3 in a year like this. CB has to draft and develop internally still and this is one step in that process. I could see Detroit doing something like that if they were run by someone else by Yzerman is patient and I’m guessing will make his two picks. They didn’t have to deal Bertuzzi but did because it was the right time to draft young. Only team I could see trying right now to get to that next level is Buffalo. And I’d do that one for one for their pick for sure.

[Spurs]

If Lindholm was signed for 3-4 more years at his current deal maybe I could understand thinking he was worth the 3rd overall, even then I think with this draft it would be a stretch, but with him being a UFA not a chance he is worth the 3rd overall pick in a stacked top end of the draft.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

A very strong case can be made that he actually is precisely that. He was far from a professional, that’s for sure.

How so? What did Kadri do or say that was so unprofessional?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Because his value is not the #3 pick or Kent Johnson. That isn't negativity that is reality and I am far from the only one who has said this in the thread but I don't see you crying about those posts.

I actually have argued against those posts. While I think other pieces may have to be added to balance it out I think the value of a signed Lindholm is there.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think the 3 overall for Lindholm makes sense for both teams, and is about fair in value (if he’s extended). Otherwise Calgary has to add a little bit, maybe a 3/4 rd pick or something.

I also think it’s something Calgary should do.

Not even close IMO, BJ's would want the 16th OA as well.

And I would be more than OK with that.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For those saying third overall is a realistic deal for Lindholm can you find a single similar example of a top 3 pick being dealt for that this of return?

It almost never happens, so while there’s no way to give an example of it happening there’s almost 0 evidence of a team trading a top line 200ft center who can put up 40/40+ in his prime who’s had previous experience being the top line in the NHL with a member of a team wanting to trade for him.

The whole scenario is unique, there’s no comparison… there almost never is these days.

(To be transparent I’m not saying Columbus would do it) just simply stating that Lindholm has way more value than lots are giving him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Not even close IMO, BJ's would want the 16th OA as well.

And I would be more than OK with that.

Nope, too much. I get that people on here love to undervalue our assets while overvaluing others. A 3rd or a B prospect attached to an extended Lindholm is fair value. If Columbus says no that is fine by me, there are 30 other teams that will all be bidding on that guy, let them drive the value up. If push came to shove and you really like the player at 3 I might be ok with a guy like Zary added. Anything more and I would look elsewhere.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I actually have argued against those posts. While I think other pieces may have to be added to balance it out I think the value of a signed Lindholm is there.

I hope they are willing to make the deal as it would be a top 10 all-time bad trade in NHL history.

Top 3 picks rarely get moved at all, especially in a draft with this level of pedigree at the top of the draft. This isn't as much about Lindholm as it is about the value of the top 3 pick (likely Carlsson), those picks rarely get moved and not for a 28 year old FA who is a good not great player.