2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Macho0978]

Would people trade Lindholm and 16th for Slafkovsky?

#3 is more valuable that #1 last year IMO

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

There is a huge differnce between #7 pick last year and the #3 this year. Very very big differnce.

You need to pay to get that pick.

It's almost as bad as if you were to suggest last year #1 pick is the same as this years #1. It's not close.

I do wonder sometimes.

I would have thought it would have been crazy to trade one of the top 3 picks in 2016...but in hindsight maybe Columbus feels like they could have.

Matthews
Laine
Dubois
Puljujarvi

It makes me wonder about Jarmo because he's not afraid to do bold things. He's a bit of a mad man at times. And if he's not sold on the guys available at 3 he's crazy enough to make that type of trade.

I actually think that initial proposal of #3 for Lindholm + 2nd isn't that crazy.

Really it all comes down to the trade market. If Detroit comes in offering number 9 (which I don't think would be crazy) then does Columbus feel like they want to do number 3...maybe.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

There is a huge differnce between #7 pick last year and the #3 this year. Very very big differnce.

You need to pay to get that pick.

It's almost as bad as if you were to suggest last year #1 pick is the same as this years #1. It's not close.

I never suggested the 7th pick from last year was as valuable.

I listed Jiricek and Johnson for a reason as well.

If they want to be real players for Lindholm offering the #22 pick and a mediocre prospect is not going to cut it either.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do wonder sometimes.

I would have thought it would have been crazy to trade one of the top 3 picks in 2016...but in hindsight maybe Columbus feels like they could have.

Matthews
Laine
Dubois
Puljujarvi

It makes me wonder about Jarmo because he's not afraid to do bold things. He's a bit of a mad man at times. And if he's not sold on the guys available at 3 he's crazy enough to make that type of trade.

I actually think that initial proposal of #3 for Lindholm + 2nd isn't that crazy.

He’d have to hate the top 5 of the draft for sure.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I never suggested the 7th pick from last year was as valuable.

I listed Jiricek and Johnson for a reason as well.

If they want to be real players for Lindholm offering the #22 pick and a mediocre prospect is not going to cut it either.

22 and Sillinger is what I’m expecting if he goes to Columbus

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do wonder sometimes.

I would have thought it would have been crazy to trade one of the top 3 picks in 2016...but in hindsight maybe Columbus feels like they could have.

Matthews
Laine
Dubois
Puljujarvi

It makes me wonder about Jarmo because he's not afraid to do bold things. He's a bit of a mad man at times. And if he's not sold on the guys available at 3 he's crazy enough to make that type of trade.

I actually think that initial proposal of #3 for Lindholm + 2nd isn't that crazy.

Really it all comes down to the trade market. If Detroit comes in offering number 9 (which I don't think would be crazy) then does Columbus feel like they want to do number 3...maybe.

I think Tkachuk was rated in the top 4 of that draft. If you add him in there as someone who should have went where he was supposed to be picked that top 4 looks a whole lot better.

Lindholm would need to agree to sign to have any chance at this

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He’d have to hate the top 5 of the draft for sure.

Think it depends more of what he thinks about Lindholm and age curves to be honest.

If he thinks that Lindholm will be effective into his 30s and is looking to contend sooner than later he might thing that Lindholm is just getting a Carlsson that is already in his prime with less uncertainty.

It would be a really interesting case study considering that Carlsson is pretty much just a 10 year younger Elias Lindholm when it comes to SHL production.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If we got #3 and another pick how big of a swing do we take with #16?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So which one is it? Because Johnson doesn’t even have 100 GP yet, which means he’s only a season in his career. That’s barely over the “magic bean” threshold and you’re willing to pay Lindholm. But you wouldn’t trade Lindholm for Carlsson/Smith? Okay.

Johnson has already shown he can play in the NHL. Besides, I think Johnson has more upside than either of those two. I also said I would do Lindholm for #3 straight up. It is when people started adding Dube, and the 16th pick, and Hanifin on top that I balked at that.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

22 and Sillinger is what I’m expecting if he goes to Columbus

Then he isn't going to Columbus. Unless Conroy gets drunk.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think it depends more of what he thinks about Lindholm and age curves to be honest.

If he thinks that Lindholm will be effective into his 30s and is looking to contend sooner than later he might thing that Lindholm is just getting a Carlsson that is already in his prime with less uncertainty.

It would be a really interesting case study considering that Carlsson is pretty much just a 10 year younger Elias Lindholm when it comes to SHL production.

Yeah it really is interesting. Carlsson does look like a 10 year younger version of lindholm.

Lindholm will probably be the better player over the next 3-5 years. But carlsson will be in an ELC and has more longevity. What's that worth?

I think lindholm+16 oa for 3oa makes sense.

This is all continent on lindy not being willing to sign here but being willing to sign in columbu AND columbus wanting to be competiti e immediately which is far from a gurantee

This would allow the flames to build a team around a new core of wolf, coronato, pelletier and Carlsson, that could be competitive for a decade, and into the new arena.

Would be exciting.

[midniteowl]

Columbus has just signed Gaudreau to a long term big contract, and he's only scored 74 points. They'd want to show that signing was a smart one, and if getting him a center that he has shown chemistry with and push him back up to scoring close to 100 points, why wouldn't they do it? 3rd overall, yeah, it's a high pick but it's also a uncertainty. It's uncertain that he would gel with Gaudreau, it might take him a couple of years, but Lindholm is a certainty. He has shown that he gelled with Gaudreau, it might push them over in making the playoff. If they low ball the Flames and the Flames say, no thanks and go else where. Would their GM get fired if they miss the playoff yet another year?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Columbus has just signed Gaudreau to a long term big contract, and he's only scored 74 points. They'd want to show that signing was a smart one, and if getting him a center that he has shown chemistry with and push him back up to scoring close to 100 points, why wouldn't they do it? 3rd overall, yeah, it's a high pick but it's also a uncertainty. It's uncertain that he would gel with Gaudreau, it might take him a couple of years, but Lindholm is a certainty. He has shown that he gelled with Gaudreau, it might push them over in making the playoff. If they low ball the Flames and the Flames say, no thanks and go else where. Would their GM get fired if they miss the playoff yet another year?

I think that's it.

If Gaudreau+Lindholm doesn't work and Carlsson turns into a start in 4 years it probably doesn't matter since Jarmo is already fired anyways.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I can't see Columbus trading that #3, but perhaps #22, Sillinger and say, 3rd Rounder (CGY) for Lindholm?

I think the Flames need a C back. I believe Columbus has the cap room, but perhaps other pieces are required.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah it really is interesting. Carlsson does look like a 10 year younger version of lindholm.

Lindholm will probably be the better player over the next 3-5 years. But carlsson will be in an ELC and has more longevity. What's that worth?

I didn't look into Carlsson too closely but if he is just a younger version of Lindholm then he'd be a pretty weak 1st overall in another draft. I thought his stat line would be better with all the hype the top end of the draft has. Makes it more realistic of a trade though. I wouldn't hate the Flames taking Michov at three if they somehow fineagled that pick.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I didn't look into Carlsson too closely but if he is just a younger version of Lindholm then he'd be a pretty weak 1st overall in another draft. I thought his stat line would be better with all the hype the top end of the draft has. Makes it more realistic of a trade though. I wouldn't hate the Flames taking Michov at three if they somehow fineagled that pick.

He is 6'3 and 200 lbs he would be a dream #1 C if he can replicate what Lindholm has done in Calgary. With that size and speed.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I can't see Columbus trading that #3, but perhaps #22, Sillinger and say, 3rd Rounder (CGY) for Lindholm?

I think the Flames need a C back. I believe Columbus has the cap room, but perhaps other pieces are required.

I think Johnson and Sillinger are their future #1 & #2 centers. I'm sure they would want Lindholm but whether he fits their rebuild is another question. Kekalainen is under a lot of pressure after messing up last years coaching hire though so who knows, maybe he gets desperate. The #3 should be off limits though no matter what, that's an ELC contract for years on a high end player who can probably immediately slot in your lineup, just too valuable.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I didn't look into Carlsson too closely but if he is just a younger version of Lindholm then he'd be a pretty weak 1st overall in another draft. I thought his stat line would be better with all the hype the top end of the draft has. Makes it more realistic of a trade though. I wouldn't hate the Flames taking Michov at three if they somehow fineagled that pick.

I am not an expert by any means, but some have said that Fantilli, Carlson, Michkov, and possibly Will Smith would go 1st overall in most drafts. Having said that, in a 2013 redraft of the 1st round, Lindholm probably goes 3rd overall.

[MrMike]

What makes him valuable to the Jackets more than anyone else is if he WANTS to go there and sign long term with Johnny. They’d be getting 2/3rds of the best line in hockey one year ago, while the other is trying his best to get the Stanley Cup.

They know they have to over pay in free agency with most times not even having a chance.

I think it’s quite realistic that it would be on the table and Columbus would set up their top line of Laine - Lindholm - Gaudreau for the next few years. If I was Columbus I would be excited and think it would be fair.

Signing Gaudreau kind of put them in the “win now” window for his first few years of his contract. We saw what a top line of two of them can do.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am not an expert by any means, but some have said that Fantilli, Carlson, Michkov, and possibly Will Smith would go 1st overall in most drafts. Having said that, in a 2013 redraft of the 1st round, Lindholm probably goes 3rd overall.

Yeah. Turning Lindholm into a ten year younger similar player would be awesome but Lindholm wouldn’t go 1st unless it was a weak draft