2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

Not all Swedes are cousins... You were probably thinking of the guy that played for TO last year, Järnkrok.

Lol, that's right.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I get it but the only comparable center would be PLD and I doubt he wants to sign here. What center is available that could replace Lindholm if he says he wants out. The last time the Flames rebuilt was when they were forced to after the Iggy era. If the UFAs they have expiring over the next two years all want out then they will be forced into a rebuild like before. Different story if Lindholm wants to re-sign.

It depends on how much Carolina covets getting Lindholm back. If we can do a sign and trade or let Carolina negotiate an extension something around Lindholm+ for Necas would be my target. He didn't play well against Florida and the Canes window is right now. What is the + is the question.

[dissentowner]

Too bad NHL 23 was not reality, I traded Lindholm for Kent Johnson.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It depends on how much Carolina covets getting Lindholm back. If we can do a sign and trade or let Carolina negotiate an extension something around Lindholm+ for Necas would be my target. He didn't play well against Florida and the Canes window is right now. What is the + is the question.

Necas has mainly played wing but maybe he could be thew new Lindholm. Canes have to be careful with the cap. They will need to re-sign a lot of players next year. If Aho wants out for whatever reason then maybe they get reallly interested in Lindholm. We will see what happens, down to a month until the draft and I think at least 2 of the main UFAs will be gone by then if not more. It will be an interesting summer nonetheless.

[dammage79]

Know what I've learned in the thought excercise about the Jackets offer that THEIR side brought up and other non Flames related people agreed with?

.this damned fanbase thinks they're so smart but all they do is #### on their own team. "If I don't think it's right, it's very obviously wrong and crazy.


Oilers may have a stupidity problem or arrogance problem. But hole hell they don't have this deep rooted self victimization problem. Just caught in this never ending loop of destroying and marginalized everything the team does or has or has done.

The only people who seem to have a problem with the CLB proposal is... .Flames fans.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Know what I've learned in the thought excercise about the Jackets offer that THEIR side brought up and other non Flames related people agreed with?

.this damned fanbase thinks they're so smart but all they do is #### on their own team. "If I don't think it's right, it's very obviously wrong and crazy.


Oilers may have a stupidity problem or arrogance problem. But hole hell they don't have this deep rooted self victimization problem. Just caught in this never ending loop of destroying and marginalized everything the team does or has or has done.

The only people who seem to have a problem with the CLB proposal is... .Flames fans.

It’s a top 3 pick in a deep draft year. There’s gonna be people that are skeptical that Columbus would move that pick

[butterfly]

If we can get that Columbus #3 pick I'd be all over it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The only people who seem to have a problem with the CLB proposal is... .Flames fans.

Columbus fans tore him apart as well.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by traptor

I'm not convinced that cbj would trade 3oa but the more I think about it I could see some logic.

I think it would have to be something lindholm+16th oa for 3oa. Or coronato instead of the 16th oa.

What are the chances that Leo Carlsson is a more impactful player then lindholm over the next 5 years? Add in known chemistry with Gaudreau and cbj with lindholm looks like a playoff team next season. Add in the 16th and they still have a huge prospect pool and 2 1sts this season.

Lindholm is being underrated. The only way I make that deal is if it’s:

Lindholm + 16 overall for 3rd overall and 22nd overall. I’m not trading a player like Lindholm for wild shots in the dark.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Lindholm is being underrated. The only way I make that deal is if it’s:

Lindholm + 16 overall for 3rd overall and 22nd overall. I’m not trading a player like Lindholm for wild shots in the dark.

There's just really no precedent at all for a player with Lindholm's track record and contractual status being traded for such a ridiculously hefty return.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Re: Columbus.

If they really want to get out of the rebuild and get to "going for it" I think Lindholm and Hanifin could be a combo they'd be into.

To CBJ: Elias Lindholm (extended), Noah Hanifin (extended)
To CGY: 3rd Overall, 34th overall

Not sure if Calgary would have to maybe include the 49th Overall pick to make that work? The premium to be paid for a 3rd overall has to be significant.

Pfff, giving up too much. Need another asset for those two.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's just really no precedent at all for a player with Lindholm's track record and contractual status being traded for such a ridiculously hefty return.

Give me an example of a player of Lindholm’s quality that was traded, and what was the return?

And Lindholm is a better player then Bo Horvat by quite a bit imo.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Give me an example of a player of Lindholm’s quality that was traded, and what was the return?

And Lindholm is a better player then Bo Horvat by quite a bit imo.

The best comparison is probably Matt Duchene who was 27 at the time of the trade and had 1.5 years left before UFA.

He received

Turris (Flipped for Girard, 2nd, Kamenev)
2019 First
2019 Third
Shane Bowers (2017 1st)

Now Lindholm is probably worth less since he only has 1 year left instead of 1.5 years left but that would be the best comp IMO - and Lindholm has actually been more prolific than Duchene was at the time of the trade.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lindholm can negotiate with the Flames at any time, I don't think you can get charged with tampering with your own players. Either way the Flames would let Lindholm's agent talk to the Blue Jackets and the trade would be done with that understanding. If Lindholm wants to test free agency then the discussions go nowhere anyways.

Article 50.5 in the CBA
(ii) A Club that wishes to sign a Player to an "extension" of an existing SPC
may do so only in the final year of such SPC.

https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/cba 299 of the 2013 PDF the page number it is the start of 279 on the actual page.

SPC = standard players contract

That final year of the contract starts on July 1, in theory they can discuss it in the week leading up to.

But you are right it is a grey area when Conroy could say something along the lines to Lindholms agent, I was thinking I have room to sign a #1c to an 8 year deal for 64 mil.

Lindholms agent may say I have a player that might be fit your need but would need 8 years 68 mil.

All hearsay if the NHL investigates it, however, if you tell another team you have an extension in place ready to sign on the dotted line July 1 that is completely different.

[TheScorpion]

The thing with the Duchene trade is, Colorado ended up getting a No. 4 overall pick from Ottawa in that trade. But the Sens never expected to give up that high a pick when they made that deal. They were buying!

That trade looks very different if Ottawa gives up a pick in the 18-22 range instead. As it played out, it was extremely lopsided. And so would any trade where Calgary somehow snagged the No. 3 pick for Lindholm. The difference today is that the 2023 draft order has been settled, whereas the 2019 draft order wouldn't be settled for another 1.5 years when Ottawa traded their first for Duchene.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The best comparison is probably Matt Duchene who was 27 at the time of the trade and had 1.5 years left before UFA.

He received

Turris (Flipped for Girard, 2nd, Kamenev)
2019 First
2019 Third
Shane Bowers (2017 1st)

Now Lindholm is probably worth less since he only has 1 year left instead of 1.5 years left but that would be the best comp IMO - and Lindholm has actually been more prolific than Duchene was at the time of the trade.

If an extension is part of it, he’s worth more. Lindholm is the better player and he also has a better cap hit for this year.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What franchise centre??? There is absolutely no guarantee a player taken at 3 is going to be a franchise centre. The NHL draft history is full of 3rd overall picks that never become impact players let alone franchise players. So you want to trade a Selke contending #1 C plus our best forward prospect whom plays a position we need youth in and is showing really well against men at the World's for a magic bean?? That is fn insanity. The good news is Conroy is not remotely that stupid.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Too bad NHL 23 was not reality, I traded Lindholm for Kent Johnson.

So which one is it? Because Johnson doesn’t even have 100 GP yet, which means he’s only a season in his career. That’s barely over the “magic bean” threshold and you’re willing to pay Lindholm. But you wouldn’t trade Lindholm for Carlsson/Smith? Okay.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's just really no precedent at all for a player with Lindholm's track record and contractual status being traded for such a ridiculously hefty return.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...l-draft-picks/
Fedotenko? lol

[HighLifeMan]

I mean Debrincat went for #7, #39, and a future 3rd just last off-season with just two guaranteed years of team control and Lindholm is a significantly more impactful overall player.

If an agreement was made in principle I don't think it would be outrageous at all too ask for one of #3, Jiricek, or Johnson.

In terms of Horvat? That was a player who's career high was 61 points at the time of the trade. He's not comparable to Lindholm who has had 78 and 82 point seasons and is one year removed from being a runner up for the Selke.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I mean Debrincat went for #7, #39, and a future 3rd just last off-season with just two guaranteed years of team control and Lindholm is a significantly more impactful overall player.

If an agreement was made in principle I don't think it would be outrageous at all too ask for one of #3, Jiricek, or Johnson.

In terms of Horvat? That was a player who's career high was 61 points at the time of the trade. He's not comparable to Lindholm who has had 78 and 82 point seasons and is one year removed from being a runner up for the Selke.

There is a huge differnce between #7 pick last year and the #3 this year. Very very big differnce.

You need to pay to get that pick.

It's almost as bad as if you were to suggest last year #1 pick is the same as this years #1. It's not close.