2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[traptor]

I'm not convinced that cbj would trade 3oa but the more I think about it I could see some logic.

I think it would have to be something lindholm+16th oa for 3oa. Or coronato instead of the 16th oa.

What are the chances that Leo Carlsson is a more impactful player then lindholm over the next 5 years? Add in known chemistry with Gaudreau and cbj with lindholm looks like a playoff team next season. Add in the 16th and they still have a huge prospect pool and 2 1sts this season.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

I'm not convinced that cbj would trade 3oa but the more I think about it I could see some logic.

I think it would have to be something lindholm+16th oa for 3oa. Or coronato instead of the 16th oa.

What are the chances that Leo Carlsson is a more impactful player then lindholm over the next 5 years? Add in known chemistry with Gaudreau and cbj with lindholm looks like a playoff team next season. Add in the 16th and they still have a huge prospect pool and 2 1sts this season.

If Conroy trades Lindholm and Coronato for #3 I will lead the lynch mob.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Not even teams in tear-it-down rebuilds dress 7 rookies in their lineup. I imagine Huberdeau and Kadri would be very unhappy with that kind of strip-down, and making them happy is job 1 for next season.

Most of these guys aren't 19-21 either. Some are pushing 24/25.

I'm sure all 7 won't make the team but I'd give all 7 a chance to make the team.

Ruzikcka has 75 career games too. Are you suggesting he is a rookie still?

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Conroy trades Lindholm and Coronato for #3 I will lead the lynch mob.

It'll just be you, so really easy to organize

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Conroy trades Lindholm and Coronato for #3 I will lead the lynch mob.

You want a franchise center to replace Lindholm? It isn't that bad IMO

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

This is an advantage of going into a season with the mindset that we are doing a retool. You are more likely to look at these players.

There were tons of people on CP that had no interest the day he was on waivers. The mentality was we are gunning for the playoffs and he's been bad in Nashville. More likely to take a chance on a guy like this if you aren't gunning for the playoffs.

Of course, Seattle made it to the playoffs and got a guy that put up 30 goal pace for them, is 24 and is team controlled for a few years.

I wanted him the day he was on waivers but people were arguing he’d block Phillips lol

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They could have an agreement in place and the July 1st signatures being more of a formality.

Technically that would be tampering, as they can not talk extensions with players until they are in the final year of the Contract, which is July 1st. Now it obviously happens all the time, and the NHL doesn't say much about it, however, it is slightly different if you make a trade with Columbus on the basis that a deal is in placed and will be signed July 1st.

I actually think the NHL would penalize that kind of deal, especially if word got out, and it may not if all goes well, but if you decide to trade him to someone else, or Lindholm decides not to sign that extension it is likely you get ratted out.

So IMO if the Flames want to trade Lindholm to CBJ for 3rd overall at the draft it is on the basis of he has 1 year left until UFA. Or wait until July 1 sign Lindholm and then trade him for the Player Columbus picked.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

You want a franchise center to replace Lindholm? It isn't that bad IMO

What franchise centre??? There is absolutely no guarantee a player taken at 3 is going to be a franchise centre. The NHL draft history is full of 3rd overall picks that never become impact players let alone franchise players. So you want to trade a Selke contending #1 C plus our best forward prospect whom plays a position we need youth in and is showing really well against men at the World's for a magic bean?? That is fn insanity. The good news is Conroy is not remotely that stupid.

[ComixZone]

Re: Columbus.

If they really want to get out of the rebuild and get to "going for it" I think Lindholm and Hanifin could be a combo they'd be into.

To CBJ: Elias Lindholm (extended), Noah Hanifin (extended)
To CGY: 3rd Overall, 34th overall

Not sure if Calgary would have to maybe include the 49th Overall pick to make that work? The premium to be paid for a 3rd overall has to be significant.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Re: Columbus.

If they really want to get out of the rebuild and get to "going for it" I think Lindholm and Hanifin could be a combo they'd be into.

To CBJ: Elias Lindholm (extended), Noah Hanifin (extended)
To CGY: 3rd Overall, 34th overall

Jesus, that is even worse. It boggles my mind how much people overrate draft picks. Go do some research on how many first rnd draft picks make an impact in the NHL compared to what their projection is. Many don't even make the show. I get the rebuild crowd loves coming up with these ridiculously bad trade scenarios but the mandate is to win. It doesn't matter what you want or I want, it matters what ownership wants and there is zero chance in hell they would be on board with something like this.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What franchise centre??? There is absolutely no guarantee a player taken at 3 is going to be a franchise centre. The NHL draft history is full of 3rd overall picks that never become impact players let alone franchise players. So you want to trade a Selke contending #1 C plus our best forward prospect whom plays a position we need youth in and is showing really well against men at the World's for a magic bean?? That is fn insanity.

Leo Carlsson projects as a 1oa in most years. Only reason he is 3rd is because of how strong bedard and fanitilli are.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What franchise centre??? There is absolutely no guarantee a player taken at 3 is going to be a franchise centre. The NHL draft history is full of 3rd overall picks that never become impact players let alone franchise players. So you want to trade a Selke contending #1 C plus our best forward prospect whom plays a position we need youth in and is showing really well against men at the World's for a magic bean?? That is fn insanity. The good news is Conroy is not remotely that stupid.

You’re also missing his age and compensation in that conversation. I don’t think including Coronoto would be the way but if they’re looking for B-prospect, I’d take that magic bean any day of the week. The flames should not be signing Lindholm long term. Age and cap flexibility are needed for this team. Getting huge value like that, would be amazing. Parting with both would be a tough sell for a team needing young talent, but parting with Lindholm and a B prospect is an easy decision.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

Technically that would be tampering, as they can not talk extensions with players until they are in the final year of the Contract, which is July 1st. Now it obviously happens all the time, and the NHL doesn't say much about it, however, it is slightly different if you make a trade with Columbus on the basis that a deal is in placed and will be signed July 1st.

I actually think the NHL would penalize that kind of deal, especially if word got out, and it may not if all goes well, but if you decide to trade him to someone else, or Lindholm decides not to sign that extension it is likely you get ratted out.

So IMO if the Flames want to trade Lindholm to CBJ for 3rd overall at the draft it is on the basis of he has 1 year left until UFA. Or wait until July 1 sign Lindholm and then trade him for the Player Columbus picked.

Lindholm can negotiate with the Flames at any time, I don't think you can get charged with tampering with your own players. Either way the Flames would let Lindholm's agent talk to the Blue Jackets and the trade would be done with that understanding. If Lindholm wants to test free agency then the discussions go nowhere anyways.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jesus, that is even worse. It boggles my mind how much people overrate draft picks. Go do some research on how many first rnd draft picks make an impact in the NHL compared to what their projection is. Many don't even make the show. I get the rebuild crowd loves coming up with these ridiculously bad trade scenarios but the mandate is to win. It doesn't matter what you want or I want, it matters what ownership wants and there is zero chance in hell they would be on board with something like this.

If Lindholm doesn't want to re-sign then there can't really be a mandate to win. They aren't going to get a center anywhere close to him back in a trade. Hanifin and Lindholm would probably get late 1sts and prospects at the deadline. Getting the 3rd overall would be way better and probably the best chance to compete in the short term. Columbus still doesn't do it though. If Lindholm goes there it will be for Sillinger + the Kings 1st.

[Heavy Jack]

Yea Carlsson is gonna be a good one me thinks; how about - with extensions signed and in place for Hanifin and Lindy along with Vladar and his 1 year left - 3rd OA, 22 OA and Sillinger?

Probs get roasted but I could see that work for both sides.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I mean if Lindholm still wants out the 3rd overall pick is probably the best return you can hope for. You are getting a ELC top line player in a few years. Its something this organization needs and lacks.

We never capitalized on Matthews ELC when he had his big season.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Lindholm doesn't want to re-sign then there can't really be a mandate to win. They aren't going to get a center anywhere close to him back in a trade. Hanifin and Lindholm would probably get late 1sts and prospects at the deadline. Getting 3rd overall would be way better. Columbus still doesn't do it. If Lindholm goes there it will be for Sillinger + the Kings 1st.

Yes there can. You trade Lindholm for an asset that helps now, even if you have to add to get it. You don't have to move Lindholm for a draft pick and if they did I would bet dollars to doughnuts they are flipping that pick or their own or some kind of package for a #1 C. Again, it doesn't matter if you think the Flames should move away from the mandate to win now, that is the ownership's call and they have called it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Yea Carlsson is gonna be a good one me thinks; how about - with extensions signed and in place for Hanifin and Lindy along with Vladar and his 1 year left - 3rd OA, 22 OA and Sillinger?

Probs get roasted but I could see that work for both sides.

I would personally love this, I think the Flames would turn around and deal 16 or 22 or both to help replace Lindholm.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes there can. You trade Lindholm for an asset that helps now, even if you have to add to get it. You don't have to move Lindholm for a draft pick and if they did I would bet dollars to doughnuts they are flipping that puck or their own or some kind of package for a #1 C. Again, it doesn't matter if you think the Flames should move away from the mandate to win now, that is the ownership's call and they have called it.

I get it but the only comparable center would be PLD and I doubt he wants to sign here. What center is available that could replace Lindholm if he says he wants out. The last time the Flames rebuilt was when they were forced to after the Iggy era. If the UFAs they have expiring over the next two years all want out then they will be forced into a rebuild like before. Different story if Lindholm wants to re-sign.

[sss1]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Screw it, shoot for the moon.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Vladar for 2023 3OA, 22OA and Jake F'N Bean. Bring Bean home!

I like it, but I still don't think this would be enough to make Columbus pull the trigger because it doesn't make them win right now.

If CBJ suffered an entire year for a 'deepest draft' top pick, they will certainly want players in return that would make them, at the very least, win their division and contend for in the East. Lindholm/Hanafin/Vladar aren't those guys; they will make them competitive but not by that much.

Still going to dream about it though..