2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Monahammer]

Team could desperately use cap space but some insist on paying the worst goalie in the league last season 6 mil to be a backup...

Flames should be shooting to be competitive in 3 seasons at this point.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Team could desperately use cap space but some insist on paying the worst goalie in the league last season 6 mil to be a backup...

Flames should be shooting to be competitive in 3 seasons at this point.

If the Flames want to be competitive in 3 seasons, then the rebuild should already be underway.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hmm, hockey's a weird game, look at Bob. How many wrote Bob off?

The outlier does not prove the premise.

Marky may rebound. But Calgary will need to roll that dice, because no one else will take that bet. Much like Florida couldn't move Bob.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The outlier does not prove the premise.

Marky may rebound. But Calgary will need to roll that dice, because no one else will take that bet. Much like Florida couldn't move Bob.

This sounds smart but is really just nonsense, right?

Hockey is one of the least predictable sports there is. It’s also full of “outliers” that help form the basis of everything. Outliers become norms very, very quickly.

It’s pretty hard to even call Bob an outlier in any sense. He’s not close to the first who has done what he’s doing. Countless guys bounce back after a rough patch later in their years. Even more do it after one bad season.

I’m not sure what premise you think anyone is trying to prove with an “outlier,” but I’m also not even sure you can accurately identify an outlier. As was said, hockey is a weird game. It lends itself to a lot of vague generalities and then lives to prove them wrong.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Vladar is the odd man out IMO and I like Vladdy. I think it’s smarter to have a veteran like Markstrom showing Wolf the ropes when he comes in. Markstrom has done that for Vladar

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Vladar is the odd man out IMO and I like Vladdy. I think it’s smarter to have a veteran like Markstrom showing Wolf the ropes when he comes in. Markstrom has done that for Vladar

I agree Markstrom would be great at that. Too bad that will cost 6 million clams. Can you imagine if he bounces back and Wolf lives up to his expectations? It would be nice to not feel anxious every time the puck heads into the Flames zone again.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think Markstrom, Kadri and Huberdeau will all have strong seasons at some point, but they'll have by and large bad contracts. For Kadri and Huberdeau, this is practically by design, since they were meant for short term success.

Huby is just turning 30. He should be fairly productive for the next 4-5 years. I'm not too worried about him. Markstrom only has three years left on his deal so it's fair to expect that at worst he will still be 1B or capable backup by the end of the contract. There's more to be concerned with in regards to the Kadri contract as it's realistic to expect his play to drop off at about 35 to which half or more of his contract is still due. That's the contract that may be the one that's the biggest issue.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Huby is just turning 30. He should be fairly productive for the next 4-5 years. I'm not too worried about him. Markstrom only has three years left on his deal so it's fair to expect that at worst he will still be 1B or capable backup by the end of the contract. There's more to be concerned with in regards to the Kadri contract as it's realistic to expect his play to drop off at about 35 to which half or more of his contract is still due. That's the contract that may be the one that's the biggest issue.

I agree Kadri is the biggest worry. Gotta wonder how some of the guys feel about his "performance" down the stretch when they were giving it 110%

Either he was half-arsing it to get the coach fired or was spent from the cup run. Both are concerning. The first because that's a pretty terrible way to handle things on a team as a professional. The second because if that's how he plays when he is tired his contract will look terrible as he ages. Instead of making the smart plays he was selfish and making terrible puck management decisions.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I didn’t know where to put this so I guess I’ll put it in here:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659554151540432902

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I agree Markstrom would be great at that. Too bad that will cost 6 million clams. Can you imagine if he bounces back and Wolf lives up to his expectations? It would be nice to not feel anxious every time the puck heads into the Flames zone again.

Markstrom + Wolf is a lot cheaper than Markstrom + Vladar.

And $7M total for goalies isn't that bad, if you want to think of it that way.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Markstrom + Wolf is a lot cheaper than Markstrom + Vladar.

And $7M total for goalies isn't that bad, if you want to think of it that way.

That's a good way to look at it. Too bad Vladar seems to love being here but ya gotta get Wolf in there. That was my biggest concern with Darryl.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Young player that just had 86 points

I can't believe some people would balk at a first! what exactly are you guys expecting to draft at 16th overall?

The Flames need desperately to draft and develop their own talent, to build up talent on ELC, and to eventually recycle this core. That happens through the draft. We've got a great amateur scouting team. They need more at-bats, especially with big roster turnover on the horizon with all the UFAs.

Keller is a great asset for a contending team that can afford to part with draft capital and prospects. It's a moot argument, because he's worth a 1st ++, not just a first, and it's the last thing the Flames can afford at this juncture.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Team could desperately use cap space but some insist on paying the worst goalie in the league last season 6 mil to be a backup...

Flames should be shooting to be competitive in 3 seasons at this point.

I was one of Markstrom's biggest detractors last season, but there is a pretty clear comparison in Florida right now as to why you may not want to sell on Markstrom too soon and put all the pressure on Wolf.

In Florida people were ready to fire Bobrovsky to the moon, and were ready to hand the reigns to Knight.

Now Knight has had some performance and personal issues, and Bobrovsky is probably their playoff MVP along with Tkachuk.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with putting less pressure on Wolf and running with Wolf/Markstrom than I would with Wolf/Vladar.

The flip side is also what type of return you'd get but we don't have that info. If Markstrom is going to somehow return a 1st round pick then of course you move him.

[Erick Estrada]

Yeah Wolf/Markstrom is the safer tandem to go forward with.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I was one of Markstrom's biggest detractors last season, but there is a pretty clear comparison in Florida right now as to why you may not want to sell on Markstrom too soon and put all the pressure on Wolf.

In Florida people were ready to fire Bobrovsky to the moon, and were ready to hand the reigns to Knight.

Now Knight has had some performance and personal issues, and Bobrovsky is probably their playoff MVP along with Tkachuk.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with putting less pressure on Wolf and running with Wolf/Markstrom than I would with Wolf/Vladar.

Yeah, I think the play is to trade Vladar, run Markstrom/Wolf in the NHL and then sign a vet with NHL experience as a call-up option from the Wranglers

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This sounds smart but is really just nonsense, right?

Hockey is one of the least predictable sports there is. It’s also full of “outliers” that help form the basis of everything. Outliers become norms very, very quickly.

It’s pretty hard to even call Bob an outlier in any sense. He’s not close to the first who has done what he’s doing. Countless guys bounce back after a rough patch later in their years. Even more do it after one bad season.

I’m not sure what premise you think anyone is trying to prove with an “outlier,” but I’m also not even sure you can accurately identify an outlier. As was said, hockey is a weird game. It lends itself to a lot of vague generalities and then lives to prove them wrong.

As I said, Marky may rebound but it's a gamble Calgary is forced to take, as he's likely not movable right now.

And the fact that Bobo has had a great playoff doesn't increase the changes that Marky will rebound, as there are always exceptions. The odds are still against it, but that doesn't mean it can't occur.

And Bobo's contract is still not movable, as his rebound may well be just a small sample size. His cap hit is still way to high anyway.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah Wolf/Markstrom is the safer tandem to go forward with.

They really don't have much choice anyway.

[dammage79]

A team like Buffalo is on the hunt for a Hellybuck or Marksteom type. I bet if the cost of acquisition was fair enough we could underbid him to the Sabers if the Jets were to price themselves out or they just decide to not move him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

A team like Buffalo is on the hunt for a Hellybuck or Marksteom type. I bet if the cost of acquisition was fair enough we could underbid him to the Sabers if the Jets were to price themselves put of just decide to not move him.

I like your line of thinking.

[sureLoss]

Interesting. Does Cooley have reservations about joining the Coyotes?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659593317087080456