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Old 05-16-2023, 03:30 PM   #121
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As much as I like any idea that would get the population healthier, mandated activity while I would guess would be extremely effective is not something Id like to set the precedent that the gov can impose. I also dont think taxing "unhealthy" foods would be effective for a multitude of reasons.

What I do think would work and not actually require any mandate or tax is a set $ rebate (say ~$200 eligible for every adult every 3-5 years) for the purchase of a smart watch that has health tracking capabilities (ie it would require certain sensors to be eligible).

Before I got one I would have laughed at this idea and put in the same realm of giving money away for people to buy smartphones. But after having one for a year it has drastically improved my fitness and I didn't even purchase it for that reason.

Few things that are huge:
- Continuous HR monitoring, great for establishing progression of fitness, some even have ECG's which can detect heart irregularities
- Pulse Ox - can actually be used to identify possible sleep apnea (please see a specialist to verify)
- Sleep tracking - this has been huge and has allowed me to identify what causes bad sleep and eliminate / reduce it
- Activity tracking - great for fitness, alot of watches come now with 'trainers' that can help guide your workouts
- Stress tracking - the thing knows when im stressed and allows me to intervene when it does
- HRV tracking - tells me if I'm overtraining or if I'm becoming sick or need more recovery
- Steps / stairs / calorie counting - great tools for managing your caloric deficit / surplus

Sure some will just use the rebate to get the watch for the "tech" but honestly the more people have access to this stuff the more they will use it. It really gamifies fitness which can be helpful for alot of people.

Not to mention you can provide all this data (if you want) to your doctor to give them a more complete picture of your health than just your check up stats.
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I find most of those things poor at giving you valid information. My wife's Garmin does the 150 minutes of exercise a week calculation. She commuted by bike 5km each way. At the end of the day it said she had done 104 minutes towards her 150. It was less than 25 minutes each way, but the watch awards double time when doing "vigorous exercise" and also just keeps counting as long as your heart rate is up(which stays elevated for awhile). So what I would count as 50 minutes, the watch more than doubled. Plus without the chest strap the HR is wildly inaccurate.

These things are maybe good for getting you started. I used to track stuff but eventually I can just guess at my burn, and I don't really care.

I'd rather have $200 to spend on my bike. Kind of a peeve of mine, I do many things "correctly" for society, like not driving much, don't take transit, get my exercise commuting and not using up much road space, and do I ever get anything from the government for it? Nope!
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I find most of those things poor at giving you valid information. My wife's Garmin does the 150 minutes of exercise a week calculation. She commuted by bike 5km each way. At the end of the day it said she had done 104 minutes towards her 150. It was less than 25 minutes each way, but the watch awards double time when doing "vigorous exercise" and also just keeps counting as long as your heart rate is up(which stays elevated for awhile). So what I would count as 50 minutes, the watch more than doubled. Plus without the chest strap the HR is wildly inaccurate.

These things are maybe good for getting you started. I used to track stuff but eventually I can just guess at my burn, and I don't really care.

I'd rather have $200 to spend on my bike. Kind of a peeve of mine, I do many things "correctly" for society, like not driving much, don't take transit, get my exercise commuting and not using up much road space, and do I ever get anything from the government for it? Nope!
I wouldn't say its wildly inaccurate but yes a chest HR start is a far better sensor than a wrist based one, but you cant wear that 24/7, so establishing a baseline HR is of major benefit.

The vigorous exercise thing is a metric but even post work out elevated HR is your body "working" - see EPOC "excess post-exercise oxygen consumption"

I dont disagree about being able to spend $200 on a bike, maybe its more a Fitness Spending Account type deal that could be a multitude of options.
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The only thing with 20 minutes walking for me is Circle K, which I guess would partially offset the negative of visiting Circle K, but probably better not to go to Circle K to begin with.

I tell myself I'll only get some beef jerky but somehow I always end up with ice cream sandwiches.
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The only thing with 20 minutes walking for me is Circle K, which I guess would partially offset the negative of visiting Circle K, but probably better not to go to Circle K to begin with.

I tell myself I'll only get some beef jerky but somehow I always end up with ice cream sandwiches.
A watch would tell you how many active calories you burned in that 20mins of walking to see if it is a net negative or positive for the calories consumed / burned.

It helped me gain insight to how much a certain 'activity' actually means in burned calories and helps me adjust my diet / activity levels
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Sure, your body is working then, but I don't consider that exercise time. I just think it's deceptive and people end up getting far less than the recommended 150 minutes.
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it is your body burning calories and its related to your exercise so i say its fair game, now that said I would argue you shouldn't be using that as the sole metric for tracking your fitness. 150 was way to low for me so I bumped my target to 450 a week (225mins of vigorous activity).
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You mean from the side parking area of the power centre to the middle area? Then maybe the other side? "But I have things to carry!"
I don't know what this means, but it sounds enraging.
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A watch would tell you how many active calories you burned in that 20mins of walking to see if it is a net negative or positive for the calories consumed / burned.

It helped me gain insight to how much a certain 'activity' actually means in burned calories and helps me adjust my diet / activity levels
If learning about calories burned for different activities has taught me anything there's no way I'm burning off a 400 calorie cookie ice cream sandwich in 20 minutes of walking unless I'm carrying my family.
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I hear people say that "they want" to lose weight sometimes.

My usual reaction is no, maybe "they'd like" to lose weight, but they have no dedication, will power or strong desire to actually become healthy, they don't "want" it.

I ride my bicycle to work. It's about 5-10 minutes longer than driving to get to the office. That's it. All flat. No hills. My 4 male co-workers all live near me. They're all in various stages of being overweight. They have bicycles (and if they didn't, they make about 150k each and could get one). I encourage them to bike with me all the time, or to ride their bikes period. None of them ever want to and no, it's not the magical "I have to pick my kid up from school explanation". They could easily regularly go to a gym or eat better, but they don't.

I see people always stop/starting diets that will never last. There's no commitment to a healthier lifestyle.

Most people just don't care. We're a society of complainers (about nearly everything) with relatively little action. Will power doesn't really exist anymore.
People usually have to encounter a great deal of pain and discomfort (a breaking point, if you will - whether that's a physical complication, or someone making a disparaging remark on their condition) to first acknowledge there's a problem with how they've been living, and then secondly to seek out advice or a game plan to change their situation.

Until they reach those two checkpoints, there's usually no getting through to them. You're just wasting your time. Sadly you can't impress willpower/desire onto another person.

Nothing is better than being around people that have decided to make an honest to god commitment to improve their health and lifestyle though. Seeing a friend take back control of their life after finally saying to themselves enough is enough is the best thing. And I don't mean 2 weeks at the gym in early January, but someone who commits and is on a mission because they actually love themselves enough to decide to give themselves the quality of life that they know they deserve.

Problem is that is RARE these days. Sad truth is most of the population slowly let's themselves go and makes half hearted promises to themselves that they never keep.

We have one body. To work with, raise kids with, and go places in. And many people allow it to wither away at an accelerated rate because of a series of small conscious decisions each day. Treating your body like you'll live forever is probably the biggest mistake someone can make.

Some people are more predisposed to weight gain and should not be shamed for that. That disadvantage isn't their fault. I know people who struggle despite maintaining an exercise regimen. For them it takes even more strict commitment, but they can improve too if they want it badly enough. That's what it hinges on, whether you have legitimate excuses or not.

Settling and instant gratification are the two things that plague people and stand between them and where they want to be. The desire for change has to be greater than temptations, day after day. Then over time improvement comes. Do enough of the right things (say 80/20) and it's all but guaranteed.

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I don't know what this means, but it sounds enraging.
Places like this:


https://goo.gl/maps/Zi7NvwwVZR9FAFHC8


Where people shop in one place, then get back in their car, drive to the next store, etc. I mean, it doesn't help that they are built to be hostile to pedestrians, but still. Make an effort, people.
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We have one body. To work with, raise kids with, and go places in.
And the further and longer you go down the obesity road the harder and harder it gets to come back, to the point where it's basically impossible.

Food manufacturers play a role IMO.

But ultimately I think people need to treat obesity more like ebola than a cold when it comes to risk and recovery.. prevention is far easier than recovery after a certain point. I tell my son this as I don't want him to have to fall into the same traps I did.
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and the further and longer you go down the obesity road the harder and harder it gets to come back, to the point where it's basically impossible.

Food manufacturers play a role imo.

But ultimately i think people need to treat obesity more like ebola than a cold when it comes to risk and recovery.. Prevention is far easier than recovery after a certain point. I tell my son this as i don't want him to have to fall into the same traps i did.
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And the further and longer you go down the obesity road the harder and harder it gets to come back, to the point where it's basically impossible.

Food manufacturers play a role IMO.

But ultimately I think people need to treat obesity more like ebola than a cold when it comes to risk and recovery.. prevention is far easier than recovery after a certain point. I tell my son this as I don't want him to have to fall into the same traps I did.
Play hockey twice a week. Doesn't matter the league or if you're any good at all. It's fun, and social, and no matter what kind of wacko you are, you'll fit in and it'll be fun. It doesn't even feel like exercise, even though it's actually HIIT training.

If you're obese, start as a goalie. Or if you're a wacko. Or both.
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Give everyone a free smart scale from Amazon. Publicly post the results. The shame from having a metabolic age 6 years older than you along with a bunch of tiles (BF%, BMI, Visceral Fat) saying EXCESS will get you eating healthier and getting exercise in!

At least that's what I heard...
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Give everyone a free smart scale from Amazon. Publicly post the results. The shame from having a metabolic age 6 years older than you along with a bunch of tiles (BF%, BMI, Visceral Fat) saying EXCESS will get you eating healthier and getting exercise in!

At least that's what I heard...
Average overweightedness would plunge, but mostly from those people killing themselves.
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Average overweightedness would plunge, but mostly from those people killing themselves.
Lol - Lose 220lbs in 20 minutes!

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People usually have to encounter a great deal of pain and discomfort (a breaking point, if you will - whether that's a physical complication, or someone making a disparaging remark on their condition) to first acknowledge there's a problem with how they've been living, and then secondly to seek out advice or a game plan to change their situation.

Until they reach those two checkpoints, there's usually no getting through to them. You're just wasting your time. Sadly you can't impress willpower/desire onto another person.

Nothing is better than being around people that have decided to make an honest to god commitment to improve their health and lifestyle though.
Seeing a friend take back control of their life after finally saying to themselves enough is enough is the best thing. And I don't mean 2 weeks at the gym in early January, but someone who commits and is on a mission because they actually love themselves enough to decide to give themselves the quality of life that they know they deserve.

Problem is that is RARE these days. Sad truth is most of the population slowly let's themselves go and makes half hearted promises to themselves that they never keep.

We have one body. To work with, raise kids with, and go places in. And many people allow it to wither away at an accelerated rate because of a series of small conscious decisions each day. Treating your body like you'll live forever is probably the biggest mistake someone can make.

Some people are more predisposed to weight gain and should not be shamed for that. That disadvantage isn't their fault. I know people who struggle despite maintaining an exercise regimen. For them it takes even more strict commitment, but they can improve too if they want it badly enough. That's what it hinges on, whether you have legitimate excuses or not.

Settling and instant gratification are the two things that plague people and stand between them and where they want to be. The desire for change has to be greater than temptations, day after day. Then over time improvement comes. Do enough of the right things (say 80/20) and it's all but guaranteed.
you forgot that there is also a percentage of the population that finds it difficult to have that discipline you speak of because of mental health issues.

also to the bolded.

you say nothing is better than being around someone who has made the commitment to health.
But it It can be insufferable to be around someone who has made that commitment as they won't shut up about it, or stop preaching to others about it. Almost evangelical in their zeal, like your post comes across as.
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It's important for people who have made that decision to be as encouraging and lively and accepting as possible.
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