2022/2023 English Premier League

[MegaErtz]

Manchester City had a match in hand. Arsenal were on 72 points and City on 64 after Matchday 29. City have won seven in a row, and now sit on 85 points. City have won eleven in a row and thirteen out of their last fourteen league matches. Nobody in England can compete with them, they have two superstars at every position, like someone else noted. Hardly a choke. City are nineteen points ahead of Manchester City and Newcastle, so if it wasn't for Arsenal's great play this season, the whole thing would have been wrapped up months ago.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Manchester City had a match in hand. Arsenal were on 72 points and City on 64 after Matchday 29. City have won seven in a row, and now sit on 85 points. City have won eleven in a row and thirteen out of their last fourteen league matches. Nobody in England can compete with them, they have two superstars at every position, like someone else noted. Hardly a choke. City are nineteen points ahead of Manchester City and Newcastle, so if it wasn't for Arsenal's great play this season, the whole thing would have been wrapped up months ago.

When you have a lead like they had, for nearly the entire season and don’t win, you’ve absolutely choked. Two wins in their last seven? And they had all the help in the world. A butter soft start to the season to get some momentum going, a World Cup break where almost non of their players had huge game time, Spurs gave them six points and beat City twice. The list just goes on and on.

This is a complete choke. You have a lead after match 29, and then just plain revert to the mean. Two wins from seven and if they lose to Forest, the league is officially wrapped up with three to go. That’s an epic bottle job.

And dphaneuf is completely right. For some reason this is considered a plucky, young team on the rise, whereas the narrative is completely different for Spurs. I have no idea why that is, but this was choked away.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Man City are certainly a juggernaut, and when they get into buzzsaw mode like that are currently in you basically can't do anything about it. But there is definitely an element of a choke job here. Back to back blown 2-0 leads, drawing at home to the worst team in the league, the no-show at the Etihad, Arsenal certainly did not handle the pressure down the stretch well.

[Slava]

9 of 21 points in the last seven. That’s all you need to know, really. And like you say, blowing two goal leads against relegation battling clubs.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Interesting in the media coverage

Arsenal are plucky underdogs who tried their hardest and gallantly challenged for the title

But when poch spurs finished in 2nd, with a younger squad, it was a spursy bottle job

Spurs never led the league, arsenal will end up having the lead for 80% of the season and had an 13 point gap in january

to be fair, Arsenal is up against a City team that, in the end, again steamrolled the league with a ~95 point season. Spurs were in a "now or never" situation against Leicester.

[Barnet Flame]

For some reason, this is seen as a plucky team on the rise.

Could this possibly be something to do with where they were last season and where they are now? This has been a strange season, but the gap between Arsenal and those below them is massive.That is not down to a butter soft schedule because we’re near the end of the season. And we’re the only team that prevented this from being a City procession to the title.

They’re finishing second to the best team in the world. Take City out of the equation and you can slip up. But they are in the equation so you can’t. That doesn’t make Arsenal the second best team in the world. They may not even be the second best team in the EPL, but they sure as hell are going in the right direction.

There is no way in hell, I’d have expected Arsenal to do so well this season, but we did. And when we had our top players available, we were strong and consistent. And I loved watching us play. The games were entertaining. But what stands out most for me is, we’ve got players who I can get behind. Nobody is stealing a living at the Club. They’ve been weeded out and Arteta has been vindicated in doing so.

I’ve loved watching us this season and I’m hopeful that with another successful off season, we can address the areas where we lack depth. We’ll need to because with CL football, the demands will be much greater.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by devo22

to be fair, Arsenal is up against a City team that, in the end, again steamrolled the league with a ~95 point season. Spurs were in a "now or never" situation against Leicester.

spurs finished 3rd that season, was talking about 2017 when finished 2nd to a chelsea team who had 93 points

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Slava

9 of 21 points in the last seven. That’s all you need to know, really. And like you say, blowing two goal leads against relegation battling clubs.

People can bring up man city all they want, 2 wins in 7 games for arsenal

It's a total bottle job

[d_phaneuf]

We know why the coverage is different, there are two teams the media on England are very soft on, arsenal and liverpool

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

We know why the coverage is different, there are two teams the media on England are very soft on, arsenal and liverpool

Now that is complete and total horse#### of monumental proportions.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

spurs finished 3rd that season, was talking about 2017 when finished 2nd to a chelsea team who had 93 points

Spurs still should’ve won the League that season - cruising and 2-0 up against Chelsea, only to implode and not only fail to win the title, but go on to finish 3rd.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Slava

9 of 21 points in the last seven. That’s all you need to know, really. And like you say, blowing two goal leads against relegation battling clubs.

The relegation danger will certainly come as news to Liverpool supporters.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

The relegation danger will certainly come as news to Liverpool supporters.

I was talking about West Ham, but regardless, it’s been a collapse. It’s got nothing to do with City, and just a collapse at the end of the season. Just like last year.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Now that is complete and total horse#### of monumental proportions.

Piers 'Mark Spector' Morgan.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Slava

I was talking about West Ham, but regardless, it’s been a collapse. It’s got nothing to do with City, and just a collapse at the end of the season. Just like last year.

Look, I get that it's a ton of fun to dance on Arsenal's grave right now, but saying it has nothing to do with City is incredibly insulting to them. If Arsenal were being chased by Newcastle and Man United they would have coasted to the title. It's because City are so relentless that Arsenal even had pressure on them. Arsenal deserve some stick for not handling the pressure well, but City also deserve a lot of credit for never giving them a chance to breathe.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Piers 'Mark Spector' Morgan.

The pundit lineups of former players too, it's a heavy liverpool and arsenal slant

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Spurs still should’ve won the League that season - cruising and 2-0 up against Chelsea, only to implode and not only fail to win the title, but go on to finish 3rd.

I think they should have as well, they were the youngest team in the league and emotions got the best of them at chelsea

Leicester were getting absolutely every bounce that season, teams were missing sitters routinely every week.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Look, I get that it's a ton of fun to dance on Arsenal's grave right now, but saying it has nothing to do with City is incredibly insulting to them. If Arsenal were being chased by Newcastle and Man United they would have coasted to the title. It's because City are so relentless that Arsenal even had pressure on them. Arsenal deserve some stick for not handling the pressure well, but City also deserve a lot of credit for never giving them a chance to breathe.

If they win against West Ham and Southampton we’re not even having this conversation though. That’s not dealing with City. And that’s ignoring this weekend where De Zerbi just plain out managed Arteta.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Actually even if they won those two they'd still be behind City on GD. Again, it matters a bit more when a freight train is gathering speed behind you then when you're out for a Sunday cruise with no traffic. I'm not absolving the element of choke from Arsenal, more so trying to give City credit for their relentlessness. Every single title season under Pep they've had at least one 11 game winning streak, that is pretty ridiculous.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Actually even if they won those two they'd still be behind City on GD. Again, it matters a bit more when a freight train is gathering speed behind you then when you're out for a Sunday cruise with no traffic. I'm not absolving the element of choke from Arsenal, more so trying to give City credit for their relentlessness. Every single title season under Pep they've had at least one 11 game winning streak, that is pretty ridiculous.

Well regardless, I’ve been expecting this collapse all season. It took longer than I thought it would, but thankfully it came. It’s the lone bright spot in an otherwise brutal season!

And it’s fine that it’s City. We all know they’ve bought it and have no real fans, so it’s just kind of meh.