2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by kermitology

The Flames are on a downward trajectory. Paying Lindholm $8M+ is just a terrible idea for a player who will be 29 - 37 for the life of the contract. This is a perfect contract/player to trade for value. He's absolutely the Flames best centre right now, and a fantastic player. My favourite Flame since he was acquired, but he absolutely NEEDS to be moved for a guy in the 22-26 age range. He's the perfect player to turn into more assets that can hopefully become what he has been the last couple of years.

Along with Tanev, Toffoli and most likely Backlund (unless he wants to stay on sweetheart retirement deal). Absolutely cannot afford to let assets walk for nothing or sign them to costly extensions into their late 30’s.

[kukkudo]

Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund, Toffoli, Tanev at 50% retained can bring back a ton IMO.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund, Toffoli, Tanev at 50% retained can bring back a ton IMO.

Maybe the Flames should do like when a Party City goes out of business. All players 50% retained! Everything must go!

I like it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Maybe the Flames should do like when a Party City goes out of business. All players 50% retained! Everything must go!

I like it.

Maximum of 3 retained salaries at a time.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kermitology

The Flames are on a downward trajectory. Paying Lindholm $8M+ is just a terrible idea for a player who will be 29 - 37 for the life of the contract. This is a perfect contract/player to trade for value. He's absolutely the Flames best centre right now, and a fantastic player. My favourite Flame since he was acquired, but he absolutely NEEDS to be moved for a guy in the 22-26 age range. He's the perfect player to turn into more assets that can hopefully become what he has been the last couple of years.

Here's the thing, the future is right now. Treliving left a steam pile or #### in his wake as he left. He's smart enough to look down the road and see what is coming at the club. The prospect pool is terribly thin right now. Coronato, Pelletier, and Zary are pretty much it for guys that will play up front. On the blueline we have Poirier, Kuznetsov, and Solovyov that might make it. Wolf is our pride and joy in net, then we're hopeful another 7th rounder in Sergeev can develop in the college ranks. After that, not much of consequence.

We need to understand there is a massive hole in the prospect pool thanks to drafting only five players or less in five of the eight drafts Treliving oversaw. Worse, we're seeing the 2021 and 2022 drafts shaping up to further make that hole deeper as drafted players don't earn contracts. To ads misery to the situation, the team is also positioned to have only five picks in the next three drafts unless a complete tear down happens thanks to conditional deals. The Flames will have to exist on the players they have because the calvary is nowhere to be seen after the current crop knocking on the door arrives this season or next. The system is barren as a result of trading away draft capital for players that never hung around. A stark contrast shows the Flames have drafted 34 players since Tkachuk was selected and developed into a top end talent. Carolina has drafted 54 players while being a more successful team.

There is a reason why management and ownership are not allowed to breathe the word rebuild. The team just isn't positioned to execute one. I know its all cool to talk about one, but you have to look at the status of the whole organization to make that commitment. The team just isn't in a position to undertake that effort. We're talking about being Arizona bad.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I think the Sabres could be an interesting landing spot for Lindholm, have a ton of cap space and could serve as a 2nd line C/winger. A great 200 ft game would serve well for all the Sabres firepower.

Lindholm signed for Jack Quinn?

Almost zero chance Lindholm gets a prospect like that unless a GM loses his mind like the Erat for Forsberg trade

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Here's the thing, the future is right now. Treliving left a steam pile or #### in his wake as he left. He's smart enough to look down the road and see what is coming at the club. The prospect pool is terribly thin right now. Coronato, Pelletier, and Zary are pretty much it for guys that will play up front. On the blueline we have Poirier, Kuznetsov, and Solovyov that might make it. Wolf is our pride and joy in net, then we're hopeful another 7th rounder in Sergeev can develop in the college ranks. After that, not much of consequence.

We need to understand there is a massive hole in the prospect pool thanks to drafting only five players or less in five of the eight drafts Treliving oversaw. Worse, we're seeing the 2021 and 2022 drafts shaping up to further make that hole deeper as drafted players don't earn contracts. To ads misery to the situation, the team is also positioned to have only five picks in the next three drafts unless a complete tear down happens thanks to conditional deals. The Flames will have to exist on the players they have because the calvary is nowhere to be seen after the current crop knocking on the door arrives this season or next. The system is barren as a result of trading away draft capital for players that never hung around. A stark contrast shows the Flames have drafted 34 players since Tkachuk was selected and developed into a top end talent. Carolina has drafted 54 players while being a more successful team.

There is a reason why management and ownership are not allowed to breathe the word rebuild. The team just isn't positioned to execute one. I know its all cool to talk about one, but you have to look at the status of the whole organization to make that commitment. The team just isn't in a position to undertake that effort. We're talking about being Arizona bad.

Yeah, so why would you try to sign Lindholm long-term instead of trading him for younger players to fill in that youth pool? I don't understand what you're saying here. Anyone on the downside of 30 or who will be that side through the contract should be sent off this off-season if possible. A complete overhaul is needed. The Flames aren't contending for anything for the foreseeable future, so start restocking now.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Yeah, so why would you try to sign Lindholm long-term instead of trading him for younger players to fill in that youth pool? I don't understand what you're saying here. Anyone on the downside of 30 or who will be that side through the contract should be sent off this off-season if possible. A complete overhaul is needed. The Flames aren't contending for anything for the foreseeable future, so start restocking now.

Ya that post made zero sense. Lindholm has value now while on a bargain deal. His value will only get worse once he cashes in on a huge deal. Hubderdeau had big value last year, now hes probably nearly impossible to move. Gaudreau had value last year, you'd likely get barely anything for him if you could move him. Why are we trying to sign Lindholm and add him to our list of horrible contracts? Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, Coleman, Markstrom. This team is handcuffed moving forward. And we're going to try and add Lindholm for 8 more years when we could get a decent package for him that provides youth and flexibility? It's insane. We're going to lock up half our cap in those 6 guys? Recipe to be atrocious for the next decade.

[Two Fivenagame]

Wow, looking at those contracts and the festering hole of a prospect base... I am SO glad BT is gone. He needed to be gone 3 years ago imo.

Anyway, I don't envy the position of the new GM. Will they be given the opportunity to retool/rebuild because I believe that will be expensive. Their only option might just be to keep trying to squeak in to the playoffs for the next 5 years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Yeah, so why would you try to sign Lindholm long-term instead of trading him for younger players to fill in that youth pool? I don't understand what you're saying here. Anyone on the downside of 30 or who will be that side through the contract should be sent off this off-season if possible. A complete overhaul is needed. The Flames aren't contending for anything for the foreseeable future, so start restocking now.

I don't understand how you don't understand what he is saying here. He is saying the team is not going to rebuild, we know this. Even if they move Lindholm for futures they will move those futures to replace Lindholm. It doesn't matter what you think they should do or I think they should do, it is what ownership wants to do.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't understand how you don't understand what he is saying here. He is saying the team is not going to rebuild, we know this. Even if they move Lindholm for futures they will move those futures to replace Lindholm. It doesn't matter what you think they should do or I think they should do, it is what ownership wants to do.

I didn't say that was what the Flames are going to do, but what they should do. Frankly, he's not re-signing in Calgary anyway, so TRADE HIM. But Lanny's argument is that they should re-sign him because they have no prospects and I'm saying trade him to get some younger talent.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I didn't say that was what the Flames are going to do, but what they should do. Frankly, he's not re-signing in Calgary anyway, so TRADE HIM. But Lanny's argument is that they should re-sign him because they have no prospects and I'm saying trade him to get some younger talent.

The younger talent they bring in with a Lindholm trade will not replace what he brings to the team now or likely in the future. Unless the Flames suddenly change course and initiate a rebuild then they should sign him to get the best chance at a cup run.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The younger talent they bring in with a Lindholm trade will not replace what he brings to the team now or likely in the future. Unless the Flames suddenly change course and initiate a rebuild then they should sign him to get the best chance at a cup run.

Just like every other time.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Yeah, so why would you try to sign Lindholm long-term instead of trading him for younger players to fill in that youth pool? I don't understand what you're saying here. Anyone on the downside of 30 or who will be that side through the contract should be sent off this off-season if possible. A complete overhaul is needed. The Flames aren't contending for anything for the foreseeable future, so start restocking now.

A complete overhaul is not in the works. You don't go into a rebuild with five picks in each of the next three drafts, especially when there is already nothing in the pipeline. recouping some middling picks is not going to achieve the depth needed to be successful.

Originally Posted by kermitology

I didn't say that was what the Flames are going to do, but what they should do. Frankly, he's not re-signing in Calgary anyway, so TRADE HIM. But Lanny's argument is that they should re-sign him because they have no prospects and I'm saying trade him to get some younger talent.

Okay, so you trade Lindholm for a couple of picks, likely a late first and a possible mid round pick. Those picks are going to take five years before they bear fruit and become a consistent contributor to the team if they make it at all. You have to appreciate the pipeline has run dry. You're developing a couple of players here and there, which is what got us in this mess. To do what your suggesting we need to burn the place to the ground. We need to get rid of every single one of Treliving's mistakes (contracts) and hope we can get those high picks we need to build a solid lineup. As previously mentioned, we've sold off a number of our picks and would only really be helping other teams draft early.

Originally Posted by Bonded

The younger talent they bring in with a Lindholm trade will not replace what he brings to the team now or likely in the future. Unless the Flames suddenly change course and initiate a rebuild then they should sign him to get the best chance at a cup run.

Exactly. Unless the new GM is given the greenlight to go scorched earth the team is better off to ride it out until all of Treliving's gaffs are off the books and we control our own draft capital. We still have some players about to promote that should help keep us competitive over the next four to five years, then we're at the point where we should be able to take a run at restocking the system by selling off the vets. I don't see that time as now because we'd just be wasting Pelletier, Zary, Coronato, Wolf, Poirier and possibly the two Russian defensemen. The gap that exists in the system means we need to ride it out.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A complete overhaul is not in the works. You don't go into a rebuild with five picks in each of the next three drafts, especially when there is already nothing in the pipeline. recouping some middling picks is not going to achieve the depth needed to be successful.



Okay, so you trade Lindholm for a couple of picks, likely a late first and a possible mid round pick. Those picks are going to take five years before they bear fruit and become a consistent contributor to the team if they make it at all. You have to appreciate the pipeline has run dry. You're developing a couple of players here and there, which is what got us in this mess. To do what your suggesting we need to burn the place to the ground. We need to get rid of every single one of Treliving's mistakes (contracts) and hope we can get those high picks we need to build a solid lineup. As previously mentioned, we've sold off a number of our picks and would only really be helping other teams draft early.



Exactly. Unless the new GM is given the greenlight to go scorched earth the team is better off to ride it out until all of Treliving's gaffs are off the books and we control our own draft capital. We still have some players about to promote that should help keep us competitive over the next four to five years, then we're at the point where we should be able to take a run at restocking the system by selling off the vets. I don't see that time as now because we'd just be wasting Pelletier, Zary, Coronato, Wolf, Poirier and possibly the two Russian defensemen. The gap that exists in the system means we need to ride it out.

I never said trade him for draft picks. I said trade him for 22-26 year old players. He's valuable enough that he can bring that kind of return. This is all assuming he even wants to sign here (which it seems pretty clear he does not), so you MUST trade him before the start of the season. He needs to be turned into future assets, and as I said, ideally he's traded for a player or two who are younger than him..

[flamesgod]

I wouldn't trade Lindholm, if he's willing to sign. I'd move heaven and earth to trade Kadri, so a Lindholm signing is possible. I don't want 3 forwards signed late into their 30's.

[ComixZone]

So the Hawks have zero salary cap commitments in Summer 2024 outside of Jones and Murphy.

They’ll have Bedard…

Aho, Nylander, and Matthews are free agents that summer.

…huh…weird

[MrMike]

Nm

[Sandman]

I agree with what Lanny and Bonded are saying. Whether we're rebuilding, or trying to compete, losing Lindholm would hurt. Selke-nominated centers who can put up near a ppg don't grow on trees, so I would sooner try trading Kadri. We're stuck with Huby for better or worse, so might as well keep an offensive C around to play with him, we know Kadri won't help there.

Biggest thing is, if you're going to trade some veterans for youth, which I agree we should do, you want to keep some good vets around to bring them along. The Oilers did the opposite for years- they handed the keys to the team to a bunch of youngsters, and couldn't figure out why they never gained traction. If Lindy won't re-sign, then our hands are tied- ditto with Backlund. At the very least, hopefully we can get young centers who can fill the void.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So the Hawks have zero salary cap commitments in Summer 2024 outside of Jones and Murphy.

They’ll have Bedard…

Aho, Nylander, and Matthews are free agents that summer.

…huh…weird

If the Leafs were smart, they would get something for Matthews while they can. He's not re-signing in Canada.