[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[dammage79]

Never thought Bowman was a good GM. I'd prefer someone else even if he didn't have the Beech thing attached to him.

[kermitology]

The Flames are a safe team. They’ll hire someone safe, it will continue with the make the playoffs mantra, and the middling results will continue.

I highly doubt I will see another championship for this team in my lifetime. So, I’m not sure it even matters to debate the qualities of one GM over another, or one head coach over another.

My apathy is at an all time high right now.

[Heavy Jack]

I dunno, I’m still holding out hope for a younger, more modern GM with us promoting Mitch Love into the big club HC position. I was a little iffy on Conroy but after thinking longer on it I can get behind the idea of letting him take the next step in his career. I like that he has had a major hand in a lot of the youth movement we are hoping to see given a chance on the big roster just like Mitch Love; the only thing that would make me nervous is the trades as he would be a ‘rookie’ GM so I’d hope to not see any trades where it feels like we get taken advantage of early on. Still holding out hope for a fresh, new direction for the flames… still super nervous about who they pick for GM lol. Hopefully we hear something next week because the draft is just around the corner and there is a lot of preparation that goes into that week.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I would be happy with Dubas but suspect if he comes available someone else scoops him up. Calgary will get the leftovers or need to go to a less proven name like Conroy

[showtime]

Calgary will go with Conroy! I cant imagine he isn't the front-runner! and Iggy will come in as a consultant like Conroy did originally.

I think Conroy is a good choice and deserves it. I doubt he stays if he isn't given the GM job.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I dunno, I’m still holding out hope for a younger, more modern GM with us promoting Mitch Love into the big club HC position. I was a little iffy on Conroy but after thinking longer on it I can get behind the idea of letting him take the next step in his career. I like that he has had a major hand in a lot of the youth movement we are hoping to see given a chance on the big roster just like Mitch Love; the only thing that would make me nervous is the trades as he would be a ‘rookie’ GM so I’d hope to not see any trades where it feels like we get taken advantage of early on. Still holding out hope for a fresh, new direction for the flames… still super nervous about who they pick for GM lol. Hopefully we hear something next week because the draft is just around the corner and there is a lot of preparation that goes into that week.

The way I look at this though, we still have a guy like Maloney as PoHO around for advise. Maloney is pretty knowledgeable hockey wise so may be that will help out the rookie GM?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah the comments are dumb.

But I would be totally on board with her as GM. The type of bright mind that was discussed and I like the boss attitude she has.

Seems like someone who could really transform the old boys club mentality and reshape our team and image.

[Moderator]

We can discuss a woman as a potential GM candidate without the bikini pics and silly comments. Stop it please.

[traptor]

Hiring a young/progressive GM doesnt really matter because they will be neutered by this organization anyways. The overall objective is already in place.
Maloney said it all in his previous presser. They think this team can compete for a playoff spot, and that if you can get in, anything can happen. They will keep and re-sign as many of the 2024 UFAs as they can under that mentality.

The new GM will be brought in to facilitate player signings and a couple cap related trades.
They have to trade atleast one guy this offseaaon so the new GM will facilitate that I guess.

[Bill Bumface]

If I wasn't so lazy I'd have totally dumped an AI generated picture of Craig Conroy in a speedo in here so we could have a balanced evaluation of apparently important qualifications of NHL general manager candidates.

We all know that's what really got Treliving in the door with his pitch. It may not have worked out as we wished, but I don't think the interview criteria will have changed much.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Sec214

All I’ll say is this. If Elliot speaks it’s probably ~90% fact and he’s still going to compare notes at/with OJs before saying anything at all.

The first couple of question being asked in these “Interviews” is/are…

What would you do to improve this roster?

What is your 3-5 year plan/direction given our salary cap situation and the mandate to compete for the Stanley cup?

The flames would be stupid to not ask this to as many hockey minds as possible while they can. Regardless if we fans think they’re good, bad or ugly. Only 32 jobs available in the best league in the world.

What if I told you they also talked to Dim Jim on his thoughts. It could be worse.

Dim Jim. My god. This is some kind of timeline.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

The original article where that quote came from was a tongue in cheek question and a tongue in cheek answer. Do you want to follow in your brother’s footsteps and be a GM?

https://thehockeynews.com/all-access...higher-calling

It’s still a bad answer.

Just like when someone asks “are you a God?”, when someone asks “do you want to be GM?” You say “yes.”

If you want to be an owner, GM is the wrong line of work.

[Spurs]

I have no problem hiring a woman as GM, if they are qualified. Chayka seems to be nowhere near qualified at all. If her name was John Smith there is no way she would be considered and that is where I think things can go wrong if teams want to show they are progressive and hire someone for a job they are not ready for.

If there is another woman out there ready but from what I have seen from most of the female candidates they are still a few years away from being legit GM candidates at this point in their careers.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by kermitology

The Flames are a safe team. They’ll hire someone safe, it will continue with the make the playoffs mantra, and the middling results will continue.

This is pretty much the entry for the Calgary Flames in any encylopedia.

[combustiblefuel]

So much praise for Treliving but he let Monohan( had to pay to get rid of him) GIO ( I know expansion draft but still) Brodie and Johnny hockey ...let go for nothing in return


I'd actually go as far to say if Feasters crew didn't go out and get JG and Vancouver didn't #### up and not take Tkachuk Brad would have been let go years ago.

Hea got a ok trade history. Lindholm hanifin in was ok...but the Hamonic trade was terrible....


Out side Frolik ( for a couple of good seasons and trevor lewis) his FA signings sucked.

Good riddance to bad milk.


If Feasters crew didn't snag Johnny and Vancouver didn't botch the Tkachuk pick. Treliving would not have looked so good. I believe he'd been gone years ago. He got lucky. He didn't do #### to get the best 2 players in a Flames uniform. He inherited on and another gm botched a pick. That's his only saving grace he has.

[Flamesfan05]

The best you can say about Treliving is that he is not terrible

There is no data to show that he is beyond mediocre but the Flames had history of bad GMs so he looked good to SOME

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

So much praise for Treliving but he let Monohan( had to pay to get rid of him) GIO ( I know expansion draft but still) Brodie and Johnny hockey ...let go for nothing in return


I'd actually go as far to say if Feasters crew didn't go out and get JG and Vancouver didn't #### up and not take Tkachuk Brad would have been let go years ago.

Hea got a ok trade history. Lindholm hanifin in was ok...but the Hamonic trade was terrible....


Out side Frolik ( for a couple of good seasons and trevor lewis) his FA signings sucked.

Good riddance to bad milk.


If Feasters crew didn't snag Johnny and Vancouver didn't botch the Tkachuk pick. Treliving would not have looked so good. I believe he'd been gone years ago. He got lucky. He didn't do #### to get the best 2 players in a Flames uniform. He inherited on and another gm botched a pick. That's his only saving grace he has.

These are some pretty weak ass arguments. Treliving deserves criticism, as all GM’s do, but these are tired and old arguments that could be applied to any GM.

Every single team loses players ‘for free’. This was especially the case for the expansion draft(s).

Not giving Treliving credit for drafting Tkachuck is beyond dumb. Treliving took the player where he should have. Does he deserve to be put on a pedestal for it? No, probably not. But it turned out the way it turned out. Did the Avalanche get lucky with Makar? Did the Oilers get lucky with Draisiatl? Bruins with Paternak? Senators with Stutzl? Red Wings with Sieder? On and on and on. This happens every single draft, multiple times in some instances, where a ‘do over’ reveals that certain players were passed on where they shouldn’t have been.

As for Gaudreau, what’s your point? Any new GM walks into a situation where they inherit players good and bad. So, again, what is your point??

Characterizing the Lindolm Hanifin trade as ‘ok’ is also a woefully inadequate point to make.

All in all, probably a contender for worst post of the week and it’s only Monday morning.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

These are some pretty weak ass arguments. Treliving deserves criticism, as all GM’s do, but these are tired and old arguments that could be applied to any GM.

Every single team loses players ‘for free’. This was especially the case for the expansion draft(s).

Not giving Treliving credit for drafting Tkachuck is beyond dumb. Treliving took the player where he should have. Does he deserve to be put on a pedestal for it? No, probably not. But it turned out the way it turned out. Did the Avalanche get lucky with Makar? Did the Oilers get lucky with Draisiatl? Bruins with Paternak? Senators with Stutzl? Red Wings with Sieder? On and on and on. This happens every single draft, multiple times in some instances, where a ‘do over’ reveals that certain players were passed on where they shouldn’t have been.

As for Gaudreau, what’s your point? Any new GM walks into a situation where they inherit players good and bad. So, again, what is your point??

Characterizing the Lindolm Hanifin trade as ‘ok’ is also a woefully inadequate point to make.

All in all, probably a contender for worst post of the week and it’s only Monday morning.

They also had a trade lined up to trade up to get Tkachuk so its not like they just sat back and let it happen. Once they got intel that the Blue Jackets would go Dubois and word go around Vancouver was going Julovei they stood still.

He was one of the better GM, being a GM in Canada is a hard job. You are never given a chance to rebuild because once you taste a little bit of success the mandate changes quickly to lets go for it.

Look at Ottawa has a bit of a decent season and started trading picks for players.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Sec214

All I’ll say is this. If Elliot speaks it’s probably ~90% fact and he’s still going to compare notes at/with OJs before saying anything at all.

The first couple of question being asked in these “Interviews” is/are…

What would you do to improve this roster?

What is your 3-5 year plan/direction given our salary cap situation and the mandate to compete for the Stanley cup?

The flames would be stupid to not ask this to as many hockey minds as possible while they can. Regardless if we fans think they’re good, bad or ugly. Only 32 jobs available in the best league in the world.

What if I told you they also talked to Dim Jim on his thoughts. It could be worse.

Sigh.

[Vinny01]

With the dust settling I think the organization is making the right move cleaning the slate and getting rid of both Treliving and Sutter. Treliving couldn’t execute his plan of building around Gaudreau and Tkachuk and while his reactionary moves looked amazing on paper last year we sit here today with the worst spot to be in as the team with the best record outside the playoffs. The giving up a 1st to dump Monahan and sign Kadri looks like the type of move that sets the organization back significantly.

His best move was the Hurricanes trade and that set the organization up for at least a 4 year window (longer if he could get Chucky/Johnny signed). The problem with his moved were the subpar coaches he chose to lead them. Nothing about Bill Peters lead me to believe this was a top coach and the fact no one else was interviewed was a mistake.

I do think losing Brodie, Hamonic (due to the cost to acquire), Giordano, Gaudreau for nothing is not the best look. I have no issue with the organization moving on from Treliving.