[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[Erick Estrada]

Stuff like "new style of head coach" is exactly what you want to hear if you are the next Flames GM.

[Iggy_12]

If we stay internal, wouldn't huska have a leg up on Love?

Im all for Love i want young fresh thinking but worried they'd go with seniority

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

No, I don't think they do.

Win that series and everything is different, with our 2 superstars staying put IMO.

Edmonton fans must be thrilled, they caused all this chaos in Calgary. Top 2 players leaving, coach & GM fired, Vezina quality goalie turned to a pylon.

But also what a house of cards it all was to collapse that easily.

It probably didn't help losing that series, and Greaser fans certainly want to believe for chirpy BoA reasons they caused this mess, but I don't think this all happened just because they lost to the Oilers. All season long there was a worry it could be the last ride. I remember even thinking going into the playoffs to not worry about the offseason and to just enjoy the ride, as there was a decent chance this was it. Just sucks that happened to be the team Flames played to end that playoff year so Greaser fans could jump to such obnoxious conclusions.

[Bingo]

Few pages back ...

But anyone else wonder what goes though Bob Hartley's head on a podcast he's hosting when the guest is talking about the head coach being difficult to deal with?

Ironic position to be in.

Hartley had a reputation of destroying young players in Calgary and was equally raked on exit interview day before being fired (from what I've been told).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Few pages back ...

But anyone else wonder what goes though Bob Hartley's head on a podcast he's hosting when the guest is talking about the head coach being difficult to deal with?

Ironic position to be in.

Hartley had a reputation of destroying young players in Calgary and was equally raked on exit interview day before being fired (from what I've been told).

Yeah I found him asking Huberdeau about Sutter kind of amusing given he also got fired by the Flames for nearly the exact same thing. The difference between the two is I think Darryl's issues were in regards to him simply not being a great communicator and generally gruff disposition wearing on players while Hartley was supposedly a pretty spiteful guy that had made it personal with players especially the guys he picked for his dog house.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Steve Dangle streamed the whole Leafs Panthers game 1 on Youtube and basically said he had no idea how a Calgary Flames team with Bennett and Tkachuk was a failure under Darryl Sutter, and how Bennett could not even get quality ice time.

Bear in mind, this was basically the same team with Gaudreau, Lindholm, Giordano (and Dougie and Brodie?). Absolute failure of coaching under Gulutzan, Peters, and Sutter.

And people on here were constantly complaining that the team had no talented players. And those same posters continue to make the same complaints, every year.

And then when the players leave, they complain about how stupid the organization is for letting them go.

Canadian fans are too impatient, and too critical - if the team doesn't win the cup, then it isn't good enough and changes need to be made. That results in too much turnover, and too many coaching changes. And that is a big factor in why we haven't seen a Canadian team hoist the cup in 30 years.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And people on here were constantly complaining that the team had no talented players. And those same posters continue to make the same complaints, every year.

And then when the players leave, they complain about how stupid the organization is for letting them go.

Canadian fans are too impatient, and too critical - if the team doesn't win the cup, then it isn't good enough and changes need to be made. That results in too much turnover, and too many coaching changes. And that is a big factor in why we haven't seen a Canadian team hoist the cup in 30 years.

Yup it’s the fans that chose Derek Ryan over Sam Bennett

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yup it’s the fans that chose Derek Ryan over Sam Bennett

A typical quality post from you.

No one chose Derek Ryan over Sam Bennett. And no, the fans don't make the roster changes, but they do pressure the teams to make changes - and the constant pressure results in too much change. Especially with coaches.

[Erick Estrada]

Bennett was trashed here by plenty. I always felt he was a good player that was misused by the organization. He's a bull in a china shop type of player and the Flames simply didn't understand that he needed to play with skilled players to get the best of him. He was a terrible match for Gulutzan's perimeter system and buried him in the bottom six while Peters/Ward gave him brief opportunities in the top 6 but lacked the patience to let chemistry develop. Darryl being by far the sharpest of the coaches knew quickly that Bennett was special but he was in the picture too late.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Here’s player reviews that Mitch Love got from the app

Spoiler!

This one sounds like it was written by a résumé coach...

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Few pages back ...

But anyone else wonder what goes though Bob Hartley's head on a podcast he's hosting when the guest is talking about the head coach being difficult to deal with?

Ironic position to be in.

Hartley had a reputation of destroying young players in Calgary and was equally raked on exit interview day before being fired (from what I've been told).

Whatever the rumours are about Bob, I will point out one massive difference.

He was always positive publicly and with the media. And that’s what he asked Huberdeau about

He also was supportive of young players. I don’t know where that comment came from. The ‘always earned, never given’ mantra led to a lot of looks for a lot of kids

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by icarus

Just my two cents.

Personally I was okay with Sutter up until the end of the season, but the Nick Ritchie shootout decision with the season on the line really made me think the team needed a new direction.

Probably someone who understands the importance of 3-on-3 OT and SO in the modern game (no point in having a team built for 5-on-5 OT if you can't make the playoffs).

Whoever comes in now, I want them to give everyone on the Wranglers a fair shot with the big club because that team looks like a great cornerstone for the franchise from which to build.

The Ritchie thing definitely felt like a coach saying f u to a team that had quit.

The wranglers thing will be interesting. The NHL is a lottery league. The AHL players may be nice but by definition are depth. I am not sure how much they matter.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bennett was trashed here by plenty. I always felt he was a good player that was misused by the organization. He's a bull in a china shop type of player and the Flames simply didn't understand that he needed to play with skilled players to get the best of him. Gulutzan buried him in the bottom six and Peters/Ward gave him brief opportunities in the top 6 but lacked the patience to let chemistry develop. Darryl being by far the sharpest of the coaches new Bennett was special but he was in the picture too late.

AKA one of the rarest and most coveted attributes when combined with enough skill to play with good players. Tom Wilson, Wayne Simmonds, Dustin Brown, Scott Hartnell, young Lucic, etc.

I'm sure the key to those guys' success was playing a different position on a different line each week in their early 20s.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No surprise about Torts as unlike Sutter he doesn't play favorites with certain players and vets as it doesn't matter if you are a franchise player, grisled vet, or rookie you will sit if you aren't pulling your weight he will bench them. It makes things much simpler for players when they know that if they work hard they will play no matter who they are. It's the uncertainty and mind games that drive players crazy.

I'm not picking on your post specifically, but I find how the "narrative" on Sutter, or anyone for that matter, just changes based on how things have most recently gone.

For example, your post, Sutter plays favorites no one knows where they stand and people are confused - and not something that Torts does (another lightning Rod).

But when we were winning last year, and when we first brought him in as coach and people who were on winning teams with him previously were asked about him it was all: he's not always positive, but he's a straight shooter. You know where you stand with him always which is all you can ask for. He doesn't play favorites, star player or 4th liner, you have to put in the same work.

Like everything, we just shift the narrative to suit the current situation.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bennett was trashed here by plenty. I always felt he was a good player that was misused by the organization. He's a bull in a china shop type of player and the Flames simply didn't understand that he needed to play with skilled players to get the best of him. He was a terrible match for Gulutzan's perimeter system and buried him in the bottom six while Peters/Ward gave him brief opportunities in the top 6 but lacked the patience to let chemistry develop. Darryl being by far the sharpest of the coaches knew quickly that Bennett was special but he was in the picture too late.

It was both, those picking the player only or team only are using a pretty tight lense.

He played the most time up front between 2018-2021 (three seasons) with Mikael Backlund, Matthew Tkachuk was 4th on his most frequent list in that time frame.

The player didn't get it done with the opportunities given to him as well.

I don't think Neal and Jankowski did him any favours but he got long looks with other players as well.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comm...nymous_hockey/

I wonder about the players that write these reviews, and if they are at all introspective? They may very well be. But I wonder how many of them that complain about things like, no food on the airplane (if that's true) and not being treated like grown men, also do things like get trashed the night before games / practices on road trips (or at home). Wondering if they're actually correlating the correct "why" behind some of their coaches behavior.

I want to be treated like professionals..........but do they all act like professionals?

[Toonage]

I had no idea that site existed. This is amazing

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I wonder about the players that write these reviews, and if they are at all introspective? They may very well be. But I wonder how many of them that complain about things like, no food on the airplane (if that's true) and not being treated like grown men, also do things like get trashed the night before games / practices on road trips (or at home). Wondering if they're actually correlating the correct "why" behind some of their coaches behavior.

I want to be treated like professionals..........but do they all act like professionals?

They’re mostly in their 20s…. So. Guess.

[Enoch Root]

well the 'no food on the airplane' comment that you referred to is very much a whole team thing, not something personally directed at an individual player. You are making a lot of assumptions in that post.

[Toonage]

Reminds me of the Gulutzan story where he offered everyone beer on the train ride. We all gloss over that Gulutzan took the beer away initially.