[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I look at Vegas this year. Mostly the same roster with a new coach. If you can't change the players this is the other way to get this roster to bounce back.

I still think this team lacks talent, but better coaching should be able to get them to the same level as a team like the Krakken.

Edit maybe more a different voice and player deployment. Sutter knows how to coach, but his ways wear on players too fast.

Except Vegas brought in Cassidy who the Bruins players hated and the Bruins brought in a players coach and look at which team got beat by a wild card.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Do not love the "keep our pieces" talk. Now is the time for selling!

I don't like him saying that either, that should be the new GMs decision. Makes you wonder if they want another yes man on the job again.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mile

The base for next year (my guess)

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Toffoli
Dube - Kadri - Coronato
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Pelletier - Ruzicka - Duehr
Phillips, Zary

Weegar - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Hanifin/Zadorov - Stetcher

Markstrom/Vladar
Wolf

Possible trade chips to change the forward group: One of Markstrom or Vladar, Lindholm (was on Seravalli's trade board - maybe that changes now), Hanifin

Love that Maloney is talking about youth

I'd try Coronato with Lindholm and Huberdeau. He could use the sheltering of being with a stron two-way guy like Lindholm, he has a hell of a release, and he also seems to like carrying the puck, plus they could use his speed. I don't think he'd see too many passes from Kadri, whereas Toffoli would see more IMO.

I think Vladar will be a training camp trade, if not at the draft. And while I love Tanev I think now is a great time to trade him. Some team who gets bounced this year for lack of D is going to figure they need a Tanev.

[slcrocket]

I thought Maloney did great. I am glad there is no longer the narrative (true or not) that Sutter was supported by ownership but maybe/maybe not the GM and you had this weird power structure/hierarchy. The answer really is hire a competent GM who has a vision for the team, hires a coach that fits that vision, and move forward.

Personally I WOULDN'T mind having Treliving back as GM although I can't see it as possible. Yes, people would joke (and rightfully so) about the dysfunction of this offseason but I thought he was great at contract negotiation. Just felt like he never really had that connection with his HC.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Don doing a better job in this conference than the last one. He was clearly rattled during the Tre presser.

Not sure he was so much "rattled" as emotional...they worked together for over 15 years and had to be pretty good friends. That is a very difficult position to be in.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Two thoughts

Player control due to NMCs would diminish options and return
You are selling low on everything. Not great asset management

The one player I would look to sell is Toffoli. One year left on a good contract. Just had a career year. Reportedly a Sutter guy so could be unhappy with this decision

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Except Vegas brought in Cassidy who the Bruins players hated and the Bruins brought in a players coach and look at which team got beat by a wild card.

That kind of fits their MO as they fire their coaches the moment things slide in and their coaches only last a couple of seasons.

[Monahammer]

Murray sounds to be heavily involved in decision making. I suggest everyone listen to the last 3 minutes of that presser. Maloney phrases it carefully imo, but it sounds like Edwards is knee deep in decision making still.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Except Vegas brought in Cassidy who the Bruins players hated and the Bruins brought in a players coach and look at which team got beat by a wild card.

I wouldn’t draw the conclusion based on that

We know some of the B’s were injured

Bergeron was playing with a herniated disc
We know Ullmark was injured in early April and he didn’t look quite right

They hit their adversity at the wrong time

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

But what about Lewy, Looch and Ritchie?

Not sure why you (and others) rag on Lewis. The guy was one of our absolutely BEST PKers...and I'd have him back in that role in a heartbeat. Used correctly he's a valuable asset. He wasn't used entirely correctly IMO.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This was a very diplomatic press conference. I wouldn't take anything he said at face value.

Yeah, and even if you are planning on selling, it doesn't necessarily make sense to say so publicly because it takes away your leverage in the trade negotiations.

[Major Major]

Well, at least if the players lose next your, we know they will be happy.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Not sure why you (and others) rag on Lewis. The guy was one of our absolutely BEST PKers...and I'd have him back in that role in a heartbeat. Used correctly he's a valuable asset. He wasn't used entirely correctly IMO.

Lewis’ value can easily be replicated by a younger, cheaper player on an ELC.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Wow. The jack adams really is the kiss of death isn't it?

When you think about it it's not that surprising in a lot of cases. It's often given when a team defies expectations (like when Hartley won). Such teams often fall back to earth and the coach gets what would have happened anyway if not for the miracle year.

This one is a bit different though.

[Mr.Coffee]

Can’t we just keep Maloney as GM?

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Murray sounds to be heavily involved in decision making. I suggest everyone listen to the last 3 minutes of that presser. Maloney phrases it carefully imo, but it sounds like Edwards is knee deep in decision making still.

Should he not be? He just authorized a payment of over $8 million to Sutter to not coach for the next two years. If anything, this gives me more faith that Edwards' involvement is not the problem.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Not sure why you (and others) rag on Lewis. The guy was one of our absolutely BEST PKers...and I'd have him back in that role in a heartbeat. Used correctly he's a valuable asset. He wasn't used entirely correctly IMO.

Lewis is a solid 4RW and PKer, but

1) He's not a 4C, even on those championship cup teams he wasn't playing that role. It's just not his skillset. Yet he's been our 4C since he got here and it's been a mess
2) He's not very offensively skilled. If you want to be a team that doesn't default to a dump and chase, you can't have players who exclusively dump and chase
3) We already have plenty of candidates for 4RW, plenty of PKers too. Duerr, Coleman, the list goes on. If we can convince him, Phillips too. The idea that your fourth line has to be burly grinders is a myth.
4) More than anything, moving on from Lewis means sending a message to younger guys that there's actually an opportunity awaiting them

I wish Lewis all the best, but the Flames need to move on.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

You seem to be great with these comments. Would you care to tell us what you would have done as the leader over the last 20 years? Please be specific and what it would cost the organization.

You first.

[Yamer]

The big takeaway today (and something Maloney has been stressing since Treliving left) is that the organization is going to drastically change its philosophy going forward. Maloney took the long way around to say that they, and specifically Sutter, are out of touch with the modern NHL.

Lots of talk about getting younger and being more in touch with the new generation. That's refreshing and exciting, and I gotta say that I never expected Maloney of all people to revitalize my optimism.

Hope those words are taken to heart and we see an entirely fresh approach to team building and growth.

[Bonded]

Why is anyone shocked they aren’t going to rebuild? At best it will be a re-tool or they will see a whole bunch of UFAs leave next offseason and then rebuild once they are forced to. I don’t think we see all of Lindholm, Backlund, Toffoli, Hanifin, Zadarov, and Tanev back next season but a mix of them will be traded for some similar players in hockey trades.