[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...r-endorsement/

Is this the bombshell Eric Francis was talking about?

Doesn't seem like any new information maybe Bean attending the Sutter press conference.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...r-endorsement/

Is this the bombshell Eric Francis was talking about?

Doesn't seem like any new information maybe Bean attending the Sutter press conference.

No, we knew Bean was there the next day.

I suspect theirs more behind the scenes stuff and examples of dysfunction he was referring to. Wither it comes out anytime soon, who knows.

That article more or less sums up what he and Pat talked about on Friday.

[MikePatton]

Never noticed before that all of Eric's paragraphs are just a sentence long.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by MikePatton

Never noticed before that all of Eric's paragraphs are just a sentence long.

Eric Francis is a cheap suit away from David Staples.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...r-endorsement/

Is this the bombshell Eric Francis was talking about?

Doesn't seem like any new information maybe Bean attending the Sutter press conference.

Kind of weak if this is all he has.

Sources say several key players made it abundantly clear in their exit interviews with Maloney and Treliving that the environment in which they are working is untenable.

I'm still not sure how you can bring Sutter back if that's the case.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by MikePatton

Never noticed before that all of Eric's paragraphs are just a sentence long.

That's a best practice for web writing.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm still not sure how you can bring Sutter back if that's the case.

Because Edwards is stubborn.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Kind of weak if this is all he has.



I'm still not sure how you can bring Sutter back if that's the case.

This team has cycled through 5 coaches in 10 years - ridiculous. I realize many of these players weren't around for the bulk of this period, but the players need to shut up and play at some point.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

This team has cycled through 5 coaches in 10 years - ridiculous. I realize many of these players weren't around for the bulk of this period, but the players need to shut up and play at some point.

Or, perhaps if we continue to have the same issues, the problem is more systemic than a single coach or the players.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Torture

Or, perhaps if we continue to have the same issues, the problem is more systemic than a single coach or the players.

Certainly. I don't think anyone is denying that. A franchise being run on overpaying and/or paying a premium for FA talent is not sustainable and is exactly why this team continues to spin its wheels.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

This team has cycled through 5 coaches in 10 years - ridiculous. I realize many of these players weren't around for the bulk of this period, but the players need to shut up and play at some point.

Name how many of those Flames coaches went on to coach other teams. The answer is none of them outside of Darryl. If they aren't good enough for the rest of the NHL then maybe, just maybe the players know a bad coach when they see it. It's past time for this organization to hire a legit NHL head coach that's not Darryl Sutter.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Oof dude. They hadn't even drafted first overall once yet at this point.


"cannot recount any data, but will build a conclusion based upon that"

My bad. I was responding after Heatley was brought up.

My 'conclusion' on rebuilding goes far beyond the Oilers.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Name how many of those Flames coaches went on to coach other teams. The answer is none of them outside of Darryl. If they aren't good enough for the rest of the NHL then maybe, just maybe the players know a bad coach when they see it. It's past time for this organization to hire a legit NHL head coach that's not Darryl Sutter.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Treliving either who hired guys who apparently aren't good enough to be head coach anywhere else in the NHL.

I think a big part of it is that high profile proven head coaches will choose other teams before the Flames. You can't really blame them either. This franchise has a reputation for being a coaching graveyard.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Treliving either who hired guys who apparently aren't good enough to be head coach anywhere else in the NHL.

I think a big part of it is that high profile proven head coaches will choose other teams before the Flames. You can't really blame them either. This franchise has a reputation for being a coaching graveyard.

How many coaches did he hire?

Glen was a terrible choice and ended up in Edmonton as a assistant.

Peters turned out to be a racist not sure how this is Trelivings fault?

Ward was put in charge and we got covid. He also went on to be a assistant in Anaheim after I believe?

He inherited Hartley.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How many coaches did he hire?

Glen was a terrible choice and ended up in Edmonton as a assistant.

Peters turned out to be a racist not sure how this is Trelivings fault?

Ward was put in charge and we got covid. He also went on to be a assistant in Anaheim after I believe?

He inherited Hartley.

Somehow out of all those terrible coaches we ended up with two Jack Adams winners which quickly went sour.

Maybe Gaudreau was really that good at making this team look better than it was.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How many coaches did he hire?

Glen was a terrible choice and ended up in Edmonton as a assistant.

Peters turned out to be a racist not sure how this is Trelivings fault?

Ward was put in charge and we got covid. He also went on to be a assistant in Anaheim after I believe?

He inherited Hartley.

Treliving may not have initially hired Hartley, but he gave an extension to Harltey and then hired 4 additional coaches after that. Since he extended Hartley, I count that almost the same as a hire. He fired 4 coaches, and it would have been 5 if you believe the rumours that he wanted to fire Sutter.

That's a lot of coaches in a 10 year span.

As for Peters, being forced to sever ties with him was a blessing in disguise as is the team wasn't meeting expectations with him either at the time everything went down.

[GioforPM]

Treliving’s hands were tied a bit with Hartley. He’d have been fired/not extended but for the miracle run/Jack Adams. Not dissimilar to Sutter after the big season, except I’m not sure that Treliving wanted to fire him, at least not as much as Hartley.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Treliving either who hired guys who apparently aren't good enough to be head coach anywhere else in the NHL.

I think a big part of it is that high profile proven head coaches will choose other teams before the Flames. You can't really blame them either. This franchise has a reputation for being a coaching graveyard.

If you had to guess, what kind of budget do you think Treliving had for his coaches?…..

Do you honestly believe Ward was his first choice?

[the-rasta-masta]

I'll miss Tre. I think he made reasonable and rational decisions at most points during his tenure. I believed that the mistakes he did make were also learning lessons, and moving forward I'd hoped it was the Flames who were going to benefit from a more experienced and mature Treliving as a GM.

Many of the inside scoops I've gotten over the years were from a member of the family. I guess that well has now dried up. I'm not surprised though with the information coming out suggesting a hands on ownership, though. That source told me that Treliving was frustrated with that, bringing up an example that he had lined up three trades for Monahan in the 2019-20 season that ownership ultimately vetoed.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Muta

Man, I'm tired of hearing about the 'weather' excuse. I don't doubt what Winters is saying, he has a pulse on the players and this has obviously been an 'issue' for a long time; but a) Calgary isn't THAT bad for weather (this isn't Yellowknife or Iqaluit for God's sake), and b) for a game where millionaires make their living playing on ICE for a living, it sure does seem ironic they complain about it being 'cold; and c) hockey players seem to start families at young ages quite regularly, so the family-first thing being a negative is also a weird viewpoint.

Only two places are worse really...Edmonton and Winnipeg.

Minneapolis is probably close as well.

Thing is...its not just about the players though.

Wives, girlfriends, children are all part of the consideration, and likely most of those would prefer a more temperate climate if they have a choice.

That matters far more than many seem to want to admit.