[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I get its often lost in Oiler fans staying rabid no matter what, but I don’t think people realize how much that franchise lost to start to win. Like epic level of loser. Like worse than Cleveland Browns level. Their a joke.

Flames fans have never ever seen even one season as bad as 10 of the Oilers.

Its amazing anyone here could be proud of them. Everything they win is tainted, given the help the NHL has had to give them to keep them competitive. It’s embarrassing.

They have the cups, which ends any argument. I’d take seasons of suck if it meant Stanley Cups.

That’s the measure of success. Not seasons placing 17th-20th overall, which the Flames are exceptional at.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I get its often lost in Oiler fans staying rabid no matter what, but I don’t think people realize how much that franchise lost to start to win. Like epic level of loser. Like worse than Cleveland Browns level. Their a joke.

Flames fans have never ever seen even one season as bad as 10 of the Oilers.

Its amazing anyone here could be proud of them. Everything they win is tainted, given the help the NHL has had to give them to keep them competitive. It’s embarrassing.

Possibly just luck.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

All of these franchises have seen more recent success than the Flames. They've gone further in the post season, they have younger, better stars than the Flames (the Flames have no young stars).

All of which ones? Name them.

Im not putting the flames on a pedestal. 2nd worst i the nhl feels a big stretch.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think a reasonable assumption is to assume that anyone posting insider knowledge has access to 1-2 people in the organization at most. And those people aren't snow, Conroy, Tre, Sutter, Bean, etc. It's probably an analyst, maybe a single player, a friend of a player, equipment manager, wife is friends with wife of player, scout, agent of middle six forward, etc.

At best they are getting a partial snippet of a story, one perspective of many and at best, it's heavily biased. To take one poster's anonymous source with anything more than a grain of salt is a bit silly.

Even the media - who has access to many more people around the league - is going to be biased by whom they get access to and how much they like the personalities involved, and how many clicks a story will get. And people reaching out to the media are usually pushing their own narrative and so the media isn't ever getting an unbiased version of a story and then they're adding their own bias on top of it.

As an example, Tre clearly a very good guy, treated media personalities well on human level and it shows in their reporting. Is the reporting on Tre biased to some extent - both by the journalist's personal opinion of the people involved and who they have access to? It would be naive to think otherwise.

Sorry. What are you actually trying to say?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What franchise is worse than the Flames.
Arizona. I guess. So second worst.

Maybe Anaheim. Or Columbus?

Anaheim finally committed to the rebuild and parted with Getzlaf. And Eakins. Good god. Wasn’t Darryl’s last gig advising that train wreck ?

That Stanley Cup shine is dulling

I am really not sure what Columbus are doing


But adding insult to injury, Johnny chose Columbus over this mess

Ugh.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

Lots of criticism of Brad here, without really knowing or looking at facts. So, lets put ourselves in his shoes knowing the facts?

Lets say you are evaluating trades for Tkachuk. Your very clear directive from your boss is we ARE NOT rebuilding. Which offer do you accept? the rebuild one? or, the keep the trying to win course?

Lets say, Gaudreau is coming off consecutive seasons where he had 49 pts in 58 games and 59 pts in 70 games. He is asking for $8.5m x 8 extension. Do you sign that? Hindsight is awesome isnt it.

Lets say, your other star player, Tkachuk handcuffs you by telling you I will only sign a contract that takes him to free agency. You are kinda stuck, arent you? he actually did Treliving a solid by telling him he won't resign a year in advance. And, yea, his reason for not resigning was "whats the plan with Darryl?" oh, ok, I am not resigning.

Lets say, after one year of Ward, your boss goes out, calls up his old buddy and says, hey you want to come take this job? And, then calls you up and tells you "hey, we are hiring this old friend of mine. can you get rid of your guy please".

Ya, granted, his previous coach hires were not awesome. Some unfortunate circumstances in Peters. But, maybe he was given a budget and those were the best he could get?

I would say, given a mandate from ownership that we will not rebuild, having star players who dont want to play for a coach given to you by the owners, being told by the coach that these are the kind of guys I want, go get them, oh and these older guys? these are who I am going to play, so resign them. Well, I think we have to look at all that. And, ask yourself, would you have done any better? Not likely.

And, then, after nine years of having to sell players on coming to a country with a higher tax rate, a city with an old crappy arena, where you still have to park outside, and by the way, we have a coach who our star players didnt want to play for, and, really, it is getting harder and harder for me to try to sell you on coming here? Why would you want to? Well, the only thing I can really say is, we are close to the mountains, which, by the way, our standard player contract states you can not ski or snowboard in season, so... ya, well at least its a nice view. Wouldnt you kind of get tired of it to? And, you know you have built up a good reputation in the industry? And, there are all these other teams who may want to hire you? And, ones where selling players on coming to play with your team is so much easier, and the owner will give me some leeway. and, at least I have now earned that right to have the leeway. Wouldnt you want out too?

Well, when you put it like that…

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I get its often lost in Oiler fans staying rabid no matter what, but I don’t think people realize how much that franchise lost to start to win. Like epic level of loser. Like worse than Cleveland Browns level. Their a joke.

Flames fans have never ever seen even one season as bad as 10 of the Oilers.

Its amazing anyone here could be proud of them. Everything they win is tainted, given the help the NHL has had to give them to keep them competitive. It’s embarrassing.

I don’t think anyone in here is “proud” of the Oilers (well, except for the Oiler fan posters). Some people are just pointing out that their franchise’s incompetence lead them to drafting superstar players. Where as the Flames incompetence has lead to them losing the star players they drafted and being stuck in the mushy middle. I don’t want an ownership like Edmonton’s. I want an ownership that has a clear plan for the future. I want them to be able to communicate with us fans what that plan is. And that doesn’t seem to be the case here. Both the Oilers and Flames are not model franchises that other teams should emulate. The Oilers just sadly have had the better luck of the two Alberta hockey teams recently

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many people would have been ok with punting Sutter if it meant Tkachuk stayed?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

They have the cups, which ends any argument. I’d take seasons of suck if it meant Stanley Cups.

That’s the measure of success. Not seasons placing 17th-20th overall, which the Flames are exceptional at.

We have a cup too. In the 80s.

More relevant and recently, they went 12 years with only one playoff appearance after 4 first overall selections. To do that, they had to suck record level of bad.

Again I won’t tell you what you want but the Flames going that long winning 25-35 games a year sounds mind numbing awful. Especially seeing as they were trying arrogantly to win.

Their the worst run franchise hands down. Its not even close.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How many people would have been ok with punting Sutter if it meant Tkachuk stayed?

Me. 1000% me.

Originally Posted by OldDutch

We have a cup too. In the 80s.

More relevant and recently, they went 12 years with only one playoff appearance after 4 first overall selections. To do that, they had to suck record level of bad.

Again I won’t tell you what you want but the Flames going that long winning 25-35 games a year sounds mind numbing awful. Especially seeing as they were trying arrogantly to win.

Their the worst run franchise hands down. Its not even close.

You seem to be discrediting their Stanley Cup successes because they’re in the past, but then focusing in on the ineptitude of that long stretch without playoffs…which ended 7 years ago in 2016.

[taxbuster]

/FM reading this thread grammar rant

You want record levels of suck?

CP posters who don't seem to know the difference between, and the proper usage of:
They're, their, there
You're, your
Than, then
Could of (would of, should of), could have (could've, etc)

Really, still?

Epic suck. Worse suck than the Greasers.

You're understanding of they're game is worse then it could of been if you'd of known than what you know now. How did anyone pass Grade 6?

/glad I got THAT out of my system.

Phew.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Oilers are the significantly better team today and they absolutely caved our face in last season. You know for all this rubbish that they are so poorly run (and they absolutely for a time), guess how many playoff series they've won in the modern era of 2005-2006 to current day? They've won six series.

It is beyond disingenuous to put the cutoff at 2005 when comparing CGY/EDM series wins.

Yes there is a line in the sand with the missed season, but let's not pretend that those first 2-3 years were anything but a crapshoot.

But, if you want to play the disingenuous game, let's look at 2007-2020:
Oilers made the playoffs once and won 1 round.
Flames made the playoffs 7 times and won 2 rounds.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sorry. What are you actually trying to say?

That it's silly to take any single kernel of information as absolute truth.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Maybe Anaheim. Or Columbus?

Anaheim finally committed to the rebuild and parted with Getzlaf. And Eakins. Good god. Wasn’t Darryl’s last gig advising that train wreck ?

That Stanley Cup shine is dulling

Anaheim made the playoffs 9/11 years after their cup winning 6 rounds. Including runs to G6 and G7 of the WCF.

They were pretty darn good for at least 5 years before their cup, too. They are simply following the inevitable lifecycle after decade(s) of contention.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How many people would have been ok with punting Sutter if it meant Tkachuk stayed?

COVID restrictions were probably the biggest factor. Not saying they were against the restrictions, but not being able to have family around during that time was not easy on them.

[bax]

Interesting that Treliving tried to hire Futa in 2022. No doubt in my mind that would have been to act as a middle man between Sutter and himself

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by bax

Interesting that Treliving tried to hire Futa in 2022. No doubt in my mind that would have been to act as a middle man between Sutter and himself

Sorry, where is this coming from?

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

/FM reading this thread grammar rant

You want record levels of suck?

CP posters who don't seem to know the difference between, and the proper usage of:
They're, their, there
You're, your
Than, then
Could of (would of, should of), could have (could've, etc)

Really, still?

Epic suck. Worse suck than the Greasers.

You're understanding of they're game is worse then it could of been if you'd of known than what you know now. How did anyone pass Grade 6?

/glad I got THAT out of my system.

Phew.

Not specific to this thread but the number of people who can't spell "ridiculous" is infuriating.
I also predict no less than 3 posts purposely using those words wrong to try to annoy you.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sorry, where is this coming from?

It was mentioned in one of the links about potential GMs that the Flames might hire. Hadn’t heard about it before that though.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Because he makes money and uses it to impact more then just his hockey business. CSEC does own all the sports teams… but CNRL is based here… you can do your own digging.

This feels like the talk in Edmonton regarding Stantec stirring the drink for downtown development because it improved things for their staff (bike lanes etc)

Originally Posted by Sec214

Tkachuk left because he was so isolated in Canada during the response to Covid19. He didn't want to be in that situation again and reality is prior to the start of that season he was crushing beers in the southern US and living his best life. Then comes to Canada and it was isolating.

That would have been the worst. I know we all lived through a version of that, but at least a lot of us had larger supports here locally.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I will admit that this is probably as low as I've felt as a Flames fan.
The inside knowledge from a couple posters, who I think have a high degree of credibility, confirms what many of us thought to be true: that the owner was not allowing the GM operate the club as he wanted to.
Now it is perfectly reasonable that an owner would have to approve large contracts to players, but obvious there is far more at play than that.
I think we had a really good GM trying his best, but being undermined.
So I have little faith that a new GM will have much better luck.

Hard to feel optimistic right now.

This is arguably the worst run franchise in the NHL when you factor in the building fiasco.

After almost a decade of being a casual/bandwagon fan I dive head first back into the muck after last season and then the summer of Brad and well here we are.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It was mentioned in one of the links about potential GMs that the Flames might hire. Hadn’t heard about it before that though.

Thanks. Missed it in the Francis article

Mike Futa: Former VP of hockey operations and director of player personnel for the Los Angeles Kings, Futa worked with Sutter while the team won Stanley Cups in 2012 and 2014. Treliving tried to hire Futa in 2022 but he had already committed to joining Carolina as a consultant. The current Sportsnet analyst has an extensive resume that dates back to his time in the OHL where he recruited young Mark Giordano to play for the Owen Sound Attack.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ople-love-him/

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How many people would have been ok with punting Sutter if it meant Tkachuk stayed?

I’m long over players dictating coaching decisions.