[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[DazzlinDino]

Good to see that two different people with some Intel squash the "Sutter pushed certain players out" narrative. Not being in the know it is easy for people to speculate, but making stuff up and making assumptions just spreads more unnecessary trash. Appreciate the clarification.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Good to see that two different people with some Intel squash the "Sutter pushed certain players out" narrative. Not being in the know it is easy for people to speculate, but making stuff up and making assumptions just spreads more unnecessary trash. Appreciate the clarification.

They literally said the opposite lmao.

Tkachuk "what are the long term plans with Sutter?" I'm out is what one of them said.

He didn't ask for them to be traded he chased them away because they didn't want him around.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Toonage

On topic, wonder what the relationship is like between Conroy and Sutter. A lot of us have been worried about a Sutter yes man as GM. But what if they made the puppet uber likeable? How devious would that be. But if they don't get along, maybe Conroy would be just the guy to convince Edwards to send Sutter packing

Conroy played for Sutter he already knows first hand as a player and team mate what Sutter coaching style is. My guess is Conroy would offer more pushback, be more outspoken and support the players; Especially when it comes to giving young talented players an opportunity.

Conroy might just be the right guy.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Lol, I like your fan fiction even better.

All but 5 teams were over 79M AAV. Only 3 were under 69M.

Did the Flames get listed on ebay and get no bids?

Who's fault is it that they still have a ####ty building?

What part of that is fiction? I'm not the one spinning crazy yarns about literally everything bad that happened to the Flames is one guy's fault. Lots of teams don't spend to the cap year after year after year. The Flames do. If Edwards was actually a devious cheap bastard he'd spend $20 million less on salaries than he does, that's why it's asinine to complain about $2 butter. And at the risk of triggering all the whiner fans that expect ownership to shell out constantly for everything, it's clearly the city's fault that we don't have a new building. A new mayor came in and scuttled a done deal with a bunch of ridiculous add-ons for solar panels and bike parking. Most of you don't even see the need for a new building, apparently, so you should just disagree with the premise of me calling ####ty instead of asking who's fault it is.

So in conclusion a lot of you seem to want an owner that will build a new building, spend to the cap, rebuild whenever you want, AND (the biggest ask of all) charge you at cost for butter. In a small Canadian market. You're delusional. And pointing out the reality is apparently stanning for billionaires.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lol the Mayor didn't do anything they asked for something that was in the contract and Edwards thanked his lucky stars he got a out with rising costs.

If anyone is to blame it's Edwards that we don't have a arena. Remember CalgaryNext

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They literally said the opposite lmao.

Tkachuk "what are the long term plans with Sutter?" I'm out is what one of them said.

He didn't ask for them to be traded he chased them away because they didn't want him around.

They said a lot of other things too, you don't think there was other factors?. Johnny and MT are grown men who made thier own decisions. What did Johnny say about it being Sutters fault he was chased out?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They literally said the opposite lmao.

Tkachuk "what are the long term plans with Sutter?" I'm out is what one of them said.

He didn't ask for them to be traded he chased them away because they didn't want him around.

Tkachuk left because he was so isolated in Canada during the response to Covid19. He didn't want to be in that situation again and reality is prior to the start of that season he was crushing beers in the southern US and living his best life. Then comes to Canada and it was isolating.

Tkachuk was the perfect guy to tell Sutter go park himself when he was applying to much pressure. He would lay on the sword... "C" on and off the ice. Some people didn't like his circus but his circus put butts in seats and the 100 points wasn't a flash in the pan. Skated like a dump truck; the hands and HIQ of a fine tuned F1 machine.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

What part of that is fiction? I'm not the one spinning crazy yarns about literally everything bad that happened to the Flames is one guy's fault. Lots of teams don't spend to the cap year after year after year. The Flames do. If Edwards was actually a devious cheap bastard he'd spend $20 million less on salaries than he does, that's why it's asinine to complain about $2 butter. And at the risk of triggering all the whiner fans that expect ownership to shell out constantly for everything, it's clearly the city's fault that we don't have a new building. A new mayor came in and scuttled a done deal with a bunch of ridiculous add-ons for solar panels and bike parking. Most of you don't even see the need for a new building, apparently, so you should just disagree with the premise of me calling ####ty instead of asking who's fault it is.

So in conclusion a lot of you seem to want an owner that will build a new building, spend to the cap, rebuild whenever you want, AND (the biggest ask of all) charge you at cost for butter. In a small Canadian market. You're delusional. And pointing out the reality is apparently stanning for billionaires.

Counter point. I would think the best time to be an NHL owner is when you’re on the cusp of getting the public writ large to saddle up half of the money required to improve your franchise valuation to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars. If you “over spend” by $10-20mm per year to keep the team competing and relevant that would be money well spent when franchise value skyrockets after the city agrees to half of your $700mm project and your franchise valuation doubles to $1.4-1.5B.

He’s doing fine, about to have a major asset paid for by tax payers that will net him hundreds of millions of dollars in wealth. He should stick with it, then sell after the building. He should also stfu and get the #### out of the way of the hockey personnel that make the decisions. He won’t, but he should, because he isn’t as smart as them in hockey.

Lastly, CNRL sucks and has put hundreds of good quality juniors out of business and thousands of people out of work. It is a lousy environment to work for and I have literally never heard anyone who works there be positive about it. That’s a full on reflection of its owner who like Sec214 mentioned is exclusively and solely interested in money. To believe otherwise it’s what is actually delusional.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Good to see that two different people with some Intel squash the "Sutter pushed certain players out" narrative. Not being in the know it is easy for people to speculate, but making stuff up and making assumptions just spreads more unnecessary trash. Appreciate the clarification.

Yeah, I’m not so sure

Another poster with a history of very credible info, who also gave insight into the Brent / Darryl relationship and Darryl’s last days, stated plainly that Sutter was the reason Johnny and Chucky left

And just using our heads, when Tkachuk called Maurice the best coach he ever played for first chance he had, do you really NOT think it was a shot at Sutter?

It wasn’t even subtle, man

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

They said a lot of other things too, you don't think there was other factors?. Johnny and MT are grown men who made thier own decisions. What did Johnny say about it being Sutters fault he was chased out?

Yeah there is but the coach shouldn't be such a negative that players don't want to be here.

It's hard enough attracting talent when drafted talent you have some control over don't want to stay and the cosch played a part in it he should get the boot.

When the owner is picking his buddy to coach and keeps him around over talent we have a issue.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, I’m not so sure

Another poster with a history of very credible info, who also gave insight into the Brent / Darryl relationship and Darryl’s last days, stated plainly that Sutter was the reason Johnny and Chucky left

And just using our heads, when Tkachuk called Maurice the best coach he ever played for first chance he had, do you really NOT think it was a shot at Sutter?

It wasn’t even subtle, man

The guy literally said he asked what the plans are for Sutter if Sutter wasn't such an issue do you think it would play an part.

Now we have more players beings non committal to the team.

These people have a hard time admitting what a negative it is to have Sutter especially with the way the game is today and the age of players.

I also said I've heard that Lindholm hates Sutter and surprise surprise he sounded like he was doing his time and he's out on Friday.

[Mr.Coffee]

The nice thing about Sutter though is that he does tell the players the truth. If you’re playing like ####, well…………

[TheChief]

Paulie do you show up in every thread on CP and bash Sutter? Because it sure seems like it.



We finally get a good coach and you wanna run him out after one season with league worst goal tending and losing two 100+ point forwards off the roster? Step back man and look at it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Paulie do you show up in every thread on CP and bash Sutter? Because it sure seems like it.



We finally get a good coach and you wanna run him out after one season with league worst goal tending and losing two 100+ point forwards off the roster? Step back man and look at it.

The same 100 point players that didn't want to play for him?

Or how about he got a 100 player back and turned him into a 50 point checker?

Other teams in the Pacific had bad goaltending as well but they utilized the talent they had to score goals and make the playoffs.

Is all all Star goaltending the only way a Sutter team makes the playoff? Or can he adapt?

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Counter point. I would think the best time to be an NHL owner is when you’re on the cusp of getting the public writ large to saddle up half of the money required to improve your franchise valuation to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars. If you “over spend” by $10-20mm per year to keep the team competing and relevant that would be money well spent when franchise value skyrockets after the city agrees to half of your $700mm project and your franchise valuation doubles to $1.4-1.5B.

He’s doing fine, about to have a major asset paid for by tax payers that will net him hundreds of millions of dollars in wealth. He should stick with it, then sell after the building. He should also stfu and get the #### out of the way of the hockey personnel that make the decisions. He won’t, but he should, because he isn’t as smart as them in hockey.

Lastly, CNRL sucks and has put hundreds of good quality juniors out of business and thousands of people out of work. It is a lousy environment to work for and I have literally never heard anyone who works there be positive about it. That’s a full on reflection of its owner who like Sec214 mentioned is exclusively and solely interested in money. To believe otherwise it’s what is actually delusional.

The main value of the franchise, unless you're the Leafs, is to be a 1/32 share of the NHL. If he or any of the owners wanted to just cash in they could have done it a while ago, they're all sitting on 10-20X capital appreciation. I really don't think they'd go through this 10 year wrestling match with the city just to sell when they get a new arena. And if they did, no one in the entire world is running to buy this team and privately fund an arena so if people want a new stadium and the team to stay here they should come to grips with that scenario you laid out. If it's not CSEC then it'll be some international group of investors from god knows where.

Counter point on CNRL, throughout the last 10 years they were the one company in town that didn't lay anyone off, and that directive was straight from the top. That's despite the fact that there are a lot of people working there that definitely could have been. They purchased international companies that were leaving this backwater basin and took on all their employees at the same wage they were making before, plus a boost for stock matching. They don't always play nice but there's a lot of people in town that owe their pay to them

[Jiri Hrdina]

I will admit that this is probably as low as I've felt as a Flames fan.
The inside knowledge from a couple posters, who I think have a high degree of credibility, confirms what many of us thought to be true: that the owner was not allowing the GM operate the club as he wanted to.
Now it is perfectly reasonable that an owner would have to approve large contracts to players, but obvious there is far more at play than that.
I think we had a really good GM trying his best, but being undermined.
So I have little faith that a new GM will have much better luck.

Hard to feel optimistic right now.

This is arguably the worst run franchise in the NHL when you factor in the building fiasco.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, I’m not so sure

Another poster with a history of very credible info, who also gave insight into the Brent / Darryl relationship and Darryl’s last days, stated plainly that Sutter was the reason Johnny and Chucky left

And just using our heads, when Tkachuk called Maurice the best coach he ever played for first chance he had, do you really NOT think it was a shot at Sutter?

It wasn’t even subtle, man

Definitely, some factors there but lets not make it the sole narrative. They both said they left for different reasons, does that make them liars? Did Sutter push them out or did they leave on their own free will?

[Major Major]

I love how this forum has Murray Edwards fans.

Your business daddy can't get an arena built and has lost 10s of millions in revenue because of it.

Your business daddy can't lead a successful hockey organization and has lost millions of dollars because of it.

Your business daddy refuses to be heard from and address his customers in the midst of his own failures.

These are the facts as they relate to CSEC. Go to the cnrl fan forum for those who give a single care for this guys primary business accomplishments.

And yes, if he put the team up for sale, there would be many bids to keep it in Calgary and work to get a needed arena built with the city. Please Murray. Please

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I will admit that this is probably as low as I've felt as a Flames fan.
The inside knowledge from a couple posters, who I think have a high degree of credibility, confirms what many of us thought to be true: that the owner was not allowing the GM operate the club as he wanted to.
Now it is perfectly reasonable that an owner would have to approve large contracts to players, but obvious there is far more at play than that.
I think we had a really good GM trying his best, but being undermined.
So I have little faith that a new GM will have much better luck.

Hard to feel optimistic right now.

This is arguably the worst run franchise in the NHL when you factor in the building fiasco.

I feel that if the owners meddling was really that much more intrusive than any other organization, Brian Burke would have said more about it in his book.

And it also doesn't seem that meddling was a topic during Sutter's tenure (although maybe that would have helped).

Maybe the right personality is needed in that role. Or maybe the situation has changed post Ken King.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I feel that if the owners meddling was really that much more intrusive than any other organization, Brian Burke would have said more about it in his book.

And it also doesn't seem that meddling was a topic during Sutter's tenure (although maybe that would have helped).

Maybe the right personality is needed in that role. Or maybe the situation has changed post Ken King.

Yeah I wondered about that final point.
I think perhaps King was a more effective go-between between the club and the owner.
It does seem like things got worse we he had to take a step back, and then when he passed on.

Edit: Although I think the pattern of short-term thinking, poor asset management, desire to always compete, accelerate re-builds, etc goes back a long time.