[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[MacDaddy77]

Maloney said it in his first sentence " Its a sad day for me... Brad left us, he made the choice for his own reasons"

That was supposed to be quoted on E.E thread! Monday am I right!

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Maloney on fan saying that he will not take the long term gm position, is looking for a progressive gm not just a retread and that Conroy and pascal will both be interviewed. There is no urgency. Todd button still controls the draft (thank god).

Great news. Now I am excited.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Igottago

He's one season removed from the Jack Adams.

So was Bob Hartley......

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

In the summer you bashed the players for leaving, now its Trelivings fault?

Both guys said they wanted to come back and got offered top dollar and both decided to leave and take less money.

One ended up in Columbus he had no plan.

Not sure about Johnny, but Tkachuk for sure having Sutter here played a role.

GM is partially responsible, how could he not be?

Tkachuk could have been on year 3 of an 8 year deal....they also had great years under Sutter. Gaudreau had his career season by a country mile.

To blame them leaving on Sutter is just piling on the guy that is left

[Roof-Daddy]

Pascal has clearly shown the ability to build one hell of a strong AHL team.

I don't know if that can be translated to the NHL level?

Definitely something to think about though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

It's the GM's job to ensure he doesn't lose his best asset for nothing. He failed to do that.

Regarding Tkachuk, Ottawa signed his brother for 8 years at $8.2 mil/yr with less impressive stats. They signed Stutzle to 8 years at 8.3mil/yr with similar stats. It happens. Both of those look great now.

Treliving's results were not good over the course of 9 years. I'm surprised people are romanticizing his tenure like this.

His brother was also given the captaincy and the face of the franchise.

With Darryl Sutter here that was never happening with Matthew.

If you want to blame anyone I would start with ownership for bringing Darryl back.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

This context makes it seem plausible that Tre living was dealing with the fatigue of the job.

It really made me wonder why Kekalainen still has a Job.
I was expecting the see a stronger trend towards long term success but the Jets, Flames and Jackets are kind of exceptional for keeping the same GM in place with only a .500 playoff rate

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm critical of some the things Sutter did this season but Sutter is a winner

Kevin Lowe has 6 cups and he ran the Oilers into the ground.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Kevin Lowe has 6 cups and he ran the Oilers into the ground.

As a player. Sutter is one of very few active coaches who have won it all.

[agulati]

Process count at 2 during the one on one interview of Maloney’s with Pat Steinberg

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

It's the GM's job to ensure he doesn't lose his best asset for nothing. He failed to do that.

Regarding Tkachuk, Ottawa signed his brother for 8 years at $8.2 mil/yr with less impressive stats. They signed Stutzle to 8 years at 8.3mil/yr with similar stats. It happens. Both of those look great now.

Treliving's results were not good over the course of 9 years. I'm surprised people are romanticizing his tenure like this.

Many Flames fans are trained to accept mediocrity and be risk averse. Treliving did some things well, and other things he didn't. The notion that a new GM could be worse is no much different than ownerships reluctance to do a rebuild.... because what if it doesn't work. Just accept being good enough, because risk is too scary.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Yeah but he can tell Darryl to #### off and play Craig's guys?

Pretty easy to do right now, don't re-sign any of Lucic, Ritchie and other UFA's, trade guys like Lindholm who are unhappy for a 1st/player/futures and tell Darryl that guys like Pelltier, Coronato, Ruzicka are playing. This simple thing eases it for the new GM and Darryl either accepts or he can leave also.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

It's the GM's job to ensure he doesn't lose his best asset for nothing. He failed to do that.

Regarding Tkachuk, Ottawa signed his brother for 8 years at $8.2 mil/yr with less impressive stats. They signed Stutzle to 8 years at 8.3mil/yr with similar stats. It happens. Both of those look great now.

Treliving's results were not good over the course of 9 years. I'm surprised people are romanticizing his tenure like this.

I guess Lou Lamourello is a terrible GM. Let Tavares go for nothing because Tavares kept saying he was willing to stay (like Gaudreau). Fact is that Treliving had exactly one chance to trade Gaudreau - it was after the equivalent of a 70 point season (and a 67 point season the year before), when JG was telling him he wanted to stay. So tell me - what was the trade then?

As for Chucky, I have a brother just like Tkachuk has one. Surprisingly, we are different people. There is no doubt in my mind that Matthew Tkachuk wanted out and would have signed no more than a single additional year, to take him straight to UFA. Plus, not only was there Neal, but Treliving had Giordano, Gaudreau, Monahan all making significant money. Ottawa was completely free to throw a big number at Brady, and a Neal sized contract on their books wouldn’t have prevented it either.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah Treliving was GM and PoHO in everything but title.

I've heard that since KK and Burke left that the chain of command for hockey ops has pretty much been Treliving directly to Edwards.

Which is why it being Maloney and Bean on that stage today the issue.

If Murray runs things like we speculate, you really do need that strong person like KK or Burke in that role to insulate and protect your manager. Essentially their job is managing up to the owner and supporting your GM.

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Kevin Lowe has 6 cups and he ran the Oilers into the ground.

Yeah, he knows a thing or two about winning. Just ask him.

[Jiffy Loob]

Kudos to Maloney for showing some emotion. I think we need a new owner.

[NilssonistheReal14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are posting like you are in the know. Are you in the know or just speculating here like the rest of us?

I know someone inside

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Pascal has clearly shown the ability to build one hell of a strong AHL team.

I don't know if that can be translated to the NHL level?

Definitely something to think about though.

Building an AHL team is sort of a strange concept though. The amateur scouting that fills the Wranglers is the Flames team. As far as I know so is the pro scouting which fills in the gaps.

I guess what I’m wondering is what an AHL GM does exactly.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jiffy Loob

Kudos to Maloney for showing some emotion. I think we need a new owner.

CP group buy?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Pascal has clearly shown the ability to build one hell of a strong AHL team.

I don't know if that can be translated to the NHL level?

Definitely something to think about though.

Is that him, or is it on the back of a bunch of prospects. I know he filled it out with some career AHLers, but they don't really stir the drink. I know someone mentioned it in the Love Coach of the year thread, but having Wolf sure helps.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

I can assure you there was nothing mutual about this decision. And, this is also not the Flames choosing the coach over the GM. Right now, everything being spun by the Flames is saving face from the fact that a GM no longer wanted to be here even though he was offered a lucrative extension and the authority to fire Sutter.

Brad chose to leave. This team is a dumpster fire and he is getting out when he can. Its an impossible team to recruit players to, and combine that with the meddling owners?

They will probably keep Sutter to make it look like this was their choice. But, its not.

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

I know someone inside

Well, assuming you have actual info, this is not horrible news for those who want Sutter gone. A new GM might just still want Sutter out and their own guy in.