Tough negotiators don't have to be curmudgeonly ol' bastards, a tough negotiator can be a nice guy but the key is to be assertive and firm.
I think Treliving is a tough negotiator, and I don’t think he’s mean at all. Seems to genuinely care about his players.
I also think people still view Conroy in light of his interviews from about 8 years ago, when he was newer to the role, and went on the radio a lot. I haven’t heard much from him in the last while. He may well be a lot more serious.
I don't see Iginla coming to Calgary, but if he did, it would just be to ride Conroy's coattails amirite?
Also, he's now living in Kelowna. It's clear he wanted to move closer to home, but not too close.
I think we could see it happen if Conroy is GM, and then Iginla comes into the org in some way. Either AGM, or even just as a scout.
Iginla's kids are at the age now where they are out playing hockey away from home (Tij in Seattle, Jade at Brown, Joe is draft eligible for WHL this year) and he might look back at his own management career.
Lost in all this is whether you liked Trelving or not, nobody can deny that the man busted his hump trying to improve his team. He made a lot of mistakes but it's clear he was never in an optimal situation save for the years between the beginning of his 2nd contract and Edwards hiring Sutter for him where he briefly had some autonomy.
I never faulted Treliving for not working hard.
But this is pro sports, where success is measured in results, and Treliving was on average a 93 point GM in the regular season, who delivered a whopping total of 11 playoff wins for us.
I don't get why people feel like this is some big loss. The guy was as average as they get.
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Deep pockets? He spent to the cap every year, fired many coaches, signed and bought so many UFAs so he had money to waste here.
That is true, but no matter what people living here like to think, Calgary is NOT a desirable destination for UFAs, especially those that are top tier. A few outliers don't change that. Overpaying for UFAs is the cost of business to get players to come here.
Put BT on a team with full autonomy that spends to the cap AND is desirable for players to play, and you'll see him flourish.
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But this is pro sports, where success is measured in results, and Treliving was on average a 93 point GM in the regular season, who delivered a whopping total of 11 playoff wins for us.
I don't get why people feel like this is some big loss. The guy was as average as they get.
I can't speak for everyone but I'm upset that the GM lost the power struggle to the head coach that the players don't like. This is not a good scenario for the organization.
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I think we could see it happen if Conroy is GM, and then Iginla comes into the org in some way. Either AGM, or even just as a scout.
Iginla's kids are at the age now where they are out playing hockey away from home (Tij in Seattle, Jade at Brown, Joe is draft eligible for WHL this year) and he might look back at his own management career.
I was just making a silly joke, but that's a good point actually. Who knows what Iginla wants to do once his kids are gone from the house.
That is true, but no matter what people living here like to think, Calgary is NOT a desirable destination for UFAs, especially those that are top tier. A few outliers don't change that. Overpaying for UFAs is the cost of business to get players to come here.
Put BT on a team with full autonomy that spends to the cap AND is desirable for players to play, and you'll see him flourish.
Plus, every team except tankers spending to the cap. The aggressive teams spend way over the cap, and work the machinery to do so. Calgary was actually in the bottom half of the league in spending IIRC.
Which indicates that Treliving said Sutter leaves or I do. Which should surprise no one.
I woulnd't share a water bottle with Francis let alone trust his second hand takes on what is happening behind closed doors.
It would be just as easy to say the BT saw that the long term contracts he signed last year were total anchors and he didn't want to stick around to pay the piper.
"Darryl Sutter will be the Head Coach of this team in the fall for sure."
"This news today tells me management chose the coach over the GM"
Why wouldn’t the flames let the permanent GM choose the coach? Seems like a bass akwards way to handle personnel. The GM should come first and then choose the coach - especially a coach at the end of his coaching career and is showing that rot might be setting in.
I like this. I loved Tre as a GM but it was time for a change, if he stayed he most likely would have most bet on the existing core as that's his "team". It would have been harder to make important decision such as does Backlund and Lindholm get traded, what about other UFAs etc. Historically bringing a new voice is helpful at making tough decisions, this also most likely means Sutter has a shorter leash as the new GM would want to get his own coach.
Tre is a good GM and he won't have an issue finding a new job, but 10 years with a team is a very very long time.
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This is unfortunate IMO, and one of those times where I really don't like the outcome for the team (like Phaneuf trade, or Feaster selection as GM). He was not perfect or free of mistakes (no GM is) but Tre was a great GM IMO, and improving. I agree with an earlier poster that this was likely his choice.
Holding judgement based on who comes in as the next GM, assuming this current step is temporary, but I'm less optimistic about the future than I was with Tre at the helm. He's going to get snapped up quickly by another team.
Treliving leaving and Sutter staying? That’s damn depressing man.
I'm critical of some the things Sutter did this season but Sutter is a winner, Trelving hasn't won anything. I wouldn't automatically assume this is a disaster. Maybe this team needs to stop being the nice guys of the NHL in order to get to another level.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
But this is pro sports, where success is measured in results, and Treliving was on average a 93 point GM in the regular season, who delivered a whopping total of 11 playoff wins for us.
I don't get why people feel like this is some big loss. The guy was as average as they get.
In this situation, for me anyways it isn’t so much about the individuals. It’s about the direction this organization is choosing to go in. They are setting themselves up for some dark times.
I can't speak for everyone but I'm upset that the GM lost the power struggle to the head coach that the players don't like. This is not a good scenario for the organization.
How many coaches was BT going to be allowed to sign? Was 5 too few tries?
I'm critical of some the things Sutter did this season but Sutter is a winner, Trelving hasn't won anything. I wouldn't automatically assume this is a disaster. Maybe this team needs to stop being the nice guys of the NHL in order to get to another level.
lol explain. You want more goons on the ice like Lucic and Ritchie?
