[Rumour] Assistant General Managers Craig Conroy and Don Maloney extended

[Goriders]

This summer is going to be an interesting one. Management, coaches, players. I think some big names will be leaving. It’s just a matter of figuring out who.

My guesses:

Sutter stays
Treliving goes
Lindholm goes
Backlund gets persuaded to stay
Lucic, Ritchie, Markstrom, Kylington, Stone gone
Stecher, lewis resign
Wolf, duehr, pelletier, gilbert on the big team next season
Coronato comes up midway through season.

[beaster]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I hope Treliving re-signs, and I hope we hear about it tomorrow or Tuesday at a press conference with both Sutter and Tree there.

I just think back to how <emotional damage> devastated Tree looked at the impromptu presser when he announced that Johnny was leaving. That dude cares. He's incredibly well respected, and would be able to walk out and find another job tomorrow. If he chooses to stay, it's as significant as a big-time home grown player who is on the brink of free agency choosing to stay.

I just hope he stays, and is given the opportunity to rebuild the team.

Opportunity, come on ,9 years. He could have rebuilt it twice. It's moves like the Hamonic trade and stupid summer free agent signings have sunk this team for years to come.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Goriders

This summer is going to be an interesting one. Management, coaches, players. I think some big names will be leaving. It’s just a matter of figuring out who.

My guesses:

Sutter stays
Treliving goes
Lindholm goes
Backlund gets persuaded to stay
Lucic, Ritchie, Markstrom, Kylington, Stone gone
Stecher, lewis resign
Wolf, duehr, pelletier, gilbert on the big team next season
Coronato comes up midway through season.

Not sure that either Marky or Kylli are tradeable?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Goriders

This summer is going to be an interesting one. Management, coaches, players. I think some big names will be leaving. It’s just a matter of figuring out who.

My guesses:

Sutter stays
Treliving goes
Lindholm goes
Backlund gets persuaded to stay
Lucic, Ritchie, Markstrom, Kylington, Stone gone
Stecher, lewis resign
Wolf, duehr, pelletier, gilbert on the big team next season
Coronato comes up midway through season.

My guesses are Sutters gone after compiling the player exit data. Tree re signs. Love is promoted to HC of the big club, Backs is traded and a youth movement starts. Lindholm is the player they trade at the deadline but it doesn't happen as he signs an extension when he find unbelievable chemistry with Huberdeau and Toffoli as the top line in a more up tmepo system under mitch love.

Lewis goes, Ritchie goes, Shilly comes back and re discovers his chemistry with Tanev. Surprise trade of Markstrom leaving Vladar and Wolf in the net splitting the season 50/50 with Wolf finally taking the reigns when they make the playoffs as the 8th seed.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by beaster

Opportunity, come on ,9 years. He could have rebuilt it twice. It's moves like the Hamonic trade and stupid summer free agent signings have sunk this team for years to come.

Could have he rebuilt?

Seems to me he very clearly came in under direction to compete now and turn things around.

You're sighting one trade - which yes, was bad value - but go compare him to other GMs, evaluate his trades vs. other GMs. Tree has done quite well, and that trade was early in his career as a GM and it was a bidding war between Calgary and I believe Toronto at the time - look at that Hamonic trade as a learning lesson Tree went through and is better for it. Do you want some other team to benefit from the lesson he learned? Or do you want that lesson to benefit us?

The impatience shown in free agency to me also tells a story of being directed to be a cap-team that competes for the playoffs every season.

I don't agree with your take.

[FlamesAddiction]

Is there actually any evidence that ownership has prevent Treliving from rebuilding? I get why people think that may be the case, but I am not 100% sure that is really the case. For all we know, Edwards handed Treliving the keys and gave him free reign.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is there actually any evidence that ownership has prevent Treliving from rebuilding? I get why people think that may be the case, but I am not 100% sure that is really the case. For all we know, Edwards handed Treliving the keys and gave him free reign.

The Flames have never done it.

The one time a GM tried to - sold Iggy and Bouw in March, didn't spend like a drunken sailor that Summer - was then fired the following November.

So you just look at that evidence...and I think you can see one consistent component that has been here year in and year out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Not sure that either Marky or Kylli are tradeable?

Kylington might just agree to terminate. Markstrom is staying.

[Toonage]

Also of note, on Friday's 32 Thoughts podcast Friedman suggested if Sutter does stay, and they want to fix the relationships he has with certain players, management would look to get rid of his security blankets. Not bring back guys like Lewis or Lucic.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Oliver Kylington may pull a Hakan Loob and walk away from the NHL.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Oliver Kylington may pull a Hakan Loob and walk away from the NHL.

He might, sure. But why post a video of himself training hard, if he has no intention of returning?

[Strange Brew]

Maybe he wants to play closer to home. Or train for the Olympics? Get in better shape? Who knows, everyone and their dog post training videos, not just NHLers.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Also of note, on Friday's 32 Thoughts podcast Friedman suggested if Sutter does stay, and they want to fix the relationships he has with certain players, management would look to get rid of his security blankets. Not bring back guys like Lewis or Lucic.

What pisses me off about this is why weren’t relationships repaired early on? Why wait until next season to do that? I was pro Sutter when they brought him in originally but he seems to have lost his marbles this year with his comments and power tripping. It’s silly and at this point I think he needs to go.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Flames have never done it.

The one time a GM tried to - sold Iggy and Bouw in March, didn't spend like a drunken sailor that Summer - was then fired the following November.

So you just look at that evidence...and I think you can see one consistent component that has been here year in and year out.

Yeah, the Flames basically got drug in to the last rebuild and it will be the same this time if all the UFAs walk

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Also of note, on Friday's 32 Thoughts podcast Friedman suggested if Sutter does stay, and they want to fix the relationships he has with certain players, management would look to get rid of his security blankets. Not bring back guys like Lewis or Lucic.

I think Sutter is a good coach with the right personal,; But to have better success Sutter needs a few guys with elite skill to make his system work. I think bringing Sutter back and trying to patch things up is too risky. What happens if we have another year of the same? You are not going to entice quality players to come here that way. I would promote Conroy, move Treliving upstairs and bring in Mitch Love. At least you have a whole team working together and Conroy can lean on Trelivings experience. Treliving knows the Flames personal and he would likely support Conroy"s vision. It is a lot easier to tell ownership that this is what Conroy would like to do, as opposed to Treliving asking for it for himself. I think working closer to Edwards in this way would allow a more dynamic team, that would lean away from a "win now" approach while embracing a more traditional team building concept.

Lots of problems and issue we see can be resolved through communication,; If Edwards believes in Treliving then he is going to support him. That is only good business. If Treliving were to move up, I believe he would have much more control over those areas that were difficult for him to access.previously. Moving up would be an excellent career move for Treliving and could lead to other opportunities in the future at the NHL level.

[Shazam]

I think every coach benefits from more skilled players. And a goalie with a save percentage above 90%

[Sandman]

I wouldn't fault Treliving for any moves/signings that happened when Burke was here.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by comixzone

could have he rebuilt?

Seems to me he very clearly came in under direction to compete now and turn things around.

You're sighting one trade - which yes, was bad value - but go compare him to other gms, evaluate his trades vs. Other gms. Tree has done quite well, and that trade was early in his career as a gm and it was a bidding war between calgary and i believe toronto at the time - look at that hamonic trade as a learning lesson tree went through and is better for it. Do you want some other team to benefit from the lesson he learned? Or do you want that lesson to benefit us?

The impatience shown in free agency to me also tells a story of being directed to be a cap-team that competes for the playoffs every season.

I don't agree with your take.

this.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I wouldn't fault Treliving for any moves/signings that happened when Burke was here.

I don't think you can completely absolve him, but I've always pointed out that the vast majority of the blunders happened in the first half of his tenure, while Burke was here.

[activeStick]

Thinking through Edwards flying to Calgary - does he normally do this at the end of the season? If he doesn't, I have to imagine he wouldn't bother if Treliving has told him that he's leaning to not returning. Maybe he does do this every end of season, or maybe I'm just trying to convince myself that my hope that Treliving will stay with the Flames is in fact likely to happen.