2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Not saying Seravalli doesn’t have his sources or that what he’s said about the Flames isn’t true, but something with that guy feels off. Comes across as not a true insider and definitely not a trusted media source in my books. I kind of dismiss his comments and look for more credible information. Also how is he only 34??

I believe he has announced more trades than anyone else on earth in the past 3 years, and by a large margin.

If he's not an insider, no one is.

But like Friedman, he prone to frequent speculation.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

More bad, really bad.

Ditching Toni Lydman, who was a top four, for a 3rd round pick was abysmal. Trading Andrew Ference and Chuck Kobasew for Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau was horrendous. Yes we got a 4th round pick and thankfully that turned into TJ Brodie but I think you assess the trade on value and moving Ference, who recently signed a new deal here was completely bone headed.

Getting Anton Stralman from Toronto then flipping him needlessly right before the season was about to start to the blue Jackets was f'n weird

More good:

Nieminen, Nilson and Simon for spare change in 2004.

Sutter's first two years or so were the best run any Flames Gm has ever had, save for Fletcher.

Then some bad deals (Leclerc should be on your bad list), poor drafting (with some exceptions) and just overall poor ability to lead and manage an organization caught up with him.

[DazzlinDino]

I think the Flames were to give Brad a promotion that would be an excellent move. Keeps an experienced person in the loop and would be an excellent mentor for Conny. It would also smooth over any possible friction between him and Sutter. He would have greater authority on the direction of the organization. He also would have more ability to Support Conroy, (who likely wants more youth in the syatem). It would give Treliving more leeway while working with Edwards. Plus with the plans for a new arena the organization needs stability. Not sure if Sutter is up to GMing but I think Treliving moving up would be prudent.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

More good:

Nieminen, Nilson and Simon for spare change in 2004.

Sutter's first two years or so were the best run any Flames Gm has ever had, save for Fletcher.

Then some bad deals (Leclerc should be on your bad list), poor drafting (with some exceptions) and just overall poor ability to lead and manage an organization caught up with him.

That’s because the first two years he was trying to build an instantly successful team and went after veteran depth guys to do so. Then he kept trying to do that when they should have realized it was a flash in the pan, and rebuilt instead. He’s not built for a ground up rebuild. So you get Vandermeer for Prust, Primeau and Stuart for Ference and Kobasew, Leclerc for Reinprecht.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s because the first two years he was trying to build an instantly successful team and went after veteran depth guys to do so. Then he kept trying to do that when they should have realized it was a flash in the pan, and rebuilt instead. He’s not built for a ground up rebuild. So you get Vandermeer for Prust, Primeau and Stuart for Ference and Kobasew, Leclerc for Reinprecht.

He had the same problem any GM will have here and that he takes his orders from ownership. Not saying he would have entertained a rebuild but your strategy will only go as far as your boss allows it.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s because the first two years he was trying to build an instantly successful team and went after veteran depth guys to do so. Then he kept trying to do that when they should have realized it was a flash in the pan, and rebuilt instead. He’s not built for a ground up rebuild. So you get Vandermeer for Prust, Primeau and Stuart for Ference and Kobasew, Leclerc for Reinprecht.

Rebuilding after 2004? They won the division the next season and were preseason darlings. I remember SI had the Flames picked to win the Cup.

Easy to cherry pick his bad deals but there lots of good ones in there too which is the point. And while he liked veterans, he also traded for picks. I don’t think he made the team any older, or built a bigger pick deficit, than the current GM.

He does not have the broad skills to be an effective GM though, not interested in that at all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Rebuilding after 2004? They won the division the next season and were preseason darlings. I remember SI had the Flames picked to win the Cup.

Easy to cherry pick his bad deals but there lots of good ones in there too which is the point. And while he liked veterans, he also traded for picks. I don’t think he made the team any older, or built a bigger pick deficit, than the current GM.

He does not have the broad skills to be an effective GM though, not interested in that at all.

The next season was a year later, and they won the weak division on Kipper’s back again, and then lost in round one, and then sunk lower from there.

It’s easier to cherry pick good deals than bad, and his draft picks were worse. Not to mention his coaching choices.

[ComixZone]

Chucko
Pelech
Irving
Backlund
Nemisz

That’s who we drafted during the peak Iginla/Kipper years. With Iggy and Kipper at the levels they were playing at, we shouldn’t have made any of those picks - they should have been traded, especially with how good Phaneuf was as well. Sutter failed those teams with poor drafting and not being aggressive enough.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Chucko
Pelech
Irving
Backlund
Nemisz

That’s who we drafted during the peak Iginla/Kipper years. With Iggy and Kipper at the levels they were playing at, we shouldn’t have made any of those picks - they should have been traded, especially with how good Phaneuf was as well. Sutter failed those teams with poor drafting and not being aggressive enough.

Know what's worse? Sutter would of got more for Iginla. Feaster was the absolute worst. Snake oil salesman all around.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Know what's worse? Sutter would of got more for Iginla. Feaster was the absolute worst. Snake oil salesman all around.

To be fair to Feaster he probably had no chance given he only had two teams to work with and the fact that ownership likely would have prohibited him from trading him at the draft prior when he would have fetched more. He still got more for Iginla than the Hawks in a similar situation got for Kane as it's hard to win a trade when you are dealing with teams that know they have upper hand.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The next season was a year later, and they won the weak division on Kipper’s back again, and then lost in round one, and then sunk lower from there.

It’s easier to cherry pick good deals than bad, and his draft picks were worse. Not to mention his coaching choices.

The 08-09 team was the best team we had till probably last year. Injury bug plagued them though. Don't want Sutter as GM, but how that 08-09 team was transformed from the previous season was impressive.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The next season was a year later, and they won the weak division on Kipper’s back again, and then lost in round one, and then sunk lower from there.

It’s easier to cherry pick good deals than bad, and his draft picks were worse. Not to mention his coaching choices.

So you were screaming for the team to rebuild going into 2006? Ok.

[Sylvanfan]

Those crapping on Sutter the GM need to remember how bad of shape the team was when he took over. They had a small cheap scouting staff and split AHL team. So there was a lot of foundational work done that allowed the team to get better in those area's. His drafting was pretty poor and the last deals were bad. I don't want him back as GM, but in his time as GM, he traded for 4 guys who all had 75 or more points as a Flame and only inherited one. Thus far Treliving has traded for 1, inherited two in Monahan and Gaudreau and drafted one in Tkachuck.

[dustygoon]

I wish we could strike a deal with Sutter where he comes on and off the coaching bench when the team suits his style.

He does haying and calving until we have a solid team in its prime and don't have space for youngins, we call him in, give him some coaching track pants, stick him behind the bench for a year or two, then if we don't win, he goes back to the farm, and we swap in Travis Green types to get the youngsters up to snuff.

Rinse and repeat.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Those crapping on Sutter the GM need to remember how bad of shape the team was when he took over. They had a small cheap scouting staff and split AHL team. So there was a lot of foundational work done that allowed the team to get better in those area's. His drafting was pretty poor and the last deals were bad. I don't want him back as GM, but in his time as GM, he traded for 4 guys who all had 75 or more points as a Flame and only inherited one. Thus far Treliving has traded for 1, inherited two in Monahan and Gaudreau and drafted one in Tkachuck.

There's no denying he turned around the organization. He actually made some pretty astute trades in early in his tenure. However he didn't have a good grip of amateur scouting/drafting and as the years went by it seemed the pressure of all the first round exits got to him as his personnel moves started getting worse and worse and things started to get bizarre (kind of like this season as head coach at times). The league has changed since he was last GM and I just think he would be way out of touch and should be nowhere near a GM chair in 2023. I personally think the further this organization moves away from old school hockey people the better they will be going forward.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Based exactly on what? Fan speculation? Media speculation? For all we know Sutter and Tre could have a great working relationship.

Based on discussions with people who work for the team in hockey operations positions that will verify the fact that Treliving and Sutter are not on the same page this year. And that the fact Treliving does not have a contract going forward is his choice.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

The 08-09 team was the best team we had till probably last year. Injury bug plagued them though. Don't want Sutter as GM, but how that 08-09 team was transformed from the previous season was impressive.

Major injures, played with 3 lines, No Gio or Regehr for the the playoffs, if we just held on to the division lead to Vancouver which was only lost because of the injuries/3 lines, we would play St.Louis who Vancouver swept... maybe we beat the Hawks in round 2 if we got some bodies back... so many what ifs though with this franchise.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Not saying Seravalli doesn’t have his sources or that what he’s said about the Flames isn’t true, but something with that guy feels off. Comes across as not a true insider and definitely not a trusted media source in my books. I kind of dismiss his comments and look for more credible information. Also how is he only 34??

Originally Posted by redmile04

Major injures, played with 3 lines, No Gio or Regehr for the the playoffs, if we just held on to the division lead to Vancouver which was only lost because of the injuries/3 lines, we would play St.Louis who Vancouver swept... maybe we beat the Hawks in round 2 if we got some bodies back... so many what ifs though with this franchise.

I'd forgotten about the Cap Managment situation that year. That was Keenan's last year right? Then Brent?

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by shutout

Based on discussions with people who work for the team in hockey operations positions that will verify the fact that Treliving and Sutter are not on the same page this year. And that the fact Treliving does not have a contract going forward is his choice.

Definitely lots of egos and strong personalities in pro sports but someone should try to mend the fence in the organization and get these two on the same page. Can't have two important pieces not working for a common goal. I guess wishful thinking as most likely one of them will be gone. Unfortunate as they are both great hockey minds in my opinion.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Definitely lots of egos and strong personalities in pro sports but someone should try to mend the fence in the organization and get these two on the same page. Can't have two important pieces not working for a common goal. I guess wishful thinking as most likely one of them will be gone. Unfortunate as they are both great hockey minds in my opinion.

Only person who can do that is likely Edwards...