2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I don't think there is a scenario in which Sutter & Treliving are on the same team next season.

Agreed and I think it’ll be Sutter. If treliving had a contract than maybe they’d stick with him over Sutter

[Toonage]

Thats my concern as well, thus my feeling that a puppet GM is inevitable.

[Tacoman]

If I'm the Flames I target the Red Wings in a Hanifin trade prior to the draft. They got Vancouver's first and second for Hronek which was a steal. They also got Boston's first for Bertuzzi. But their blue line is brutal and they'd very likely be able to extend Hanifin. So they trade either their own or Vancouver's first for Hanifin (they are right next to each other in the standings) and we get a stud centerman and then maybe a top D with our own first. We would need to know that Kylington would be coming back, we'd add a less expensive veteran in free agency and it provides us with the cap room we need.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Tacoman

If I'm the Flames I target the Red Wings in a Hanifin trade prior to the draft. They got Vancouver's first and second for Hronek which was a steal. They also got Boston's first for Bertuzzi. But their blue line is brutal and they'd very likely be able to extend Hanifin. So they trade either their own or Vancouver's first for Hanifin (they are right next to each other in the standings) and we get a stud centerman and then maybe a top D with our own first. We would need to know that Kylington would be coming back, we'd add a less expensive veteran in free agency and it provides us with the cap room we need.

They have the Islanders 1st from the Hronek trade which is top 12 protected and likely to convey this coming draft.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Tacoman

If I'm the Flames I target the Red Wings in a Hanifin trade prior to the draft. They got Vancouver's first and second for Hronek which was a steal. They also got Boston's first for Bertuzzi. But their blue line is brutal and they'd very likely be able to extend Hanifin. So they trade either their own or Vancouver's first for Hanifin (they are right next to each other in the standings) and we get a stud centerman and then maybe a top D with our own first. We would need to know that Kylington would be coming back, we'd add a less expensive veteran in free agency and it provides us with the cap room we need.

This does sound like a good fit. However, Yzerman has always seemed like a patient GM who will only start trading firsts when he feels like his team is ready to be a contender rather than just a move to get them into maybe making the playoffs. Don’t think he will be eager to trade any of the firsts he has in a deep draft.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I don't think there is a scenario in which Sutter & Treliving are on the same team next season.

Based exactly on what? Fan speculation? Media speculation? For all we know Sutter and Tre could have a great working relationship.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If Sutter gets these guys in and they finish on a high note I bet you whatever wrinkles in their relationship will be ironed out pretty quick.

I'm a proponent for Treliving continuing here as long as he plans on taking a safer route with future coaches. Experienced ones only, please.

[bluejays]

I don't think there's a single person here who would want Sutter as GM. That would bring us back to the stone ages in many ways. If Edwards has that in mind I suspect a lot of season ticket holders would walk. The guy has zero eye for talent as a GM.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Based exactly on what? Fan speculation? Media speculation? For all we know Sutter and Tre could have a great working relationship.

This is what makes me mad about Francis and Seravalli constantly saying that they have this big story that they don't want to say what it is.
For all we know, the "big" story is that there IS and individual who doesn't want to play for whatever reason.....and hasn't been here all year because of it.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don't think there's a single person here who would want Sutter as GM. That would bring us back to the stone ages in many ways. If Edwards has that in mind I suspect a lot of season ticket holders would walk. The guy has zero eye for talent as a GM.

The good
Kipper for a second round pick
Reinprect and Warrener for Drury
Alex Tanguay for Leopold and two seconds
Langkow for Gauthier and Saprykin
Huselius for Montador
Cammalleri for a first round pick

The bad
Stajan and pucks for Neon Deon
Kotalik for Jokinen


Not sure how this equals zero eye for talent. Those last two trades were bizarre for sure though.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The good
Kipper for a second round pick
Reinprect and Warrener for Drury
Alex Tanguay for Leopold and two seconds
Langkow for Gauthier and Saprykin
Huselius for Montador
Cammalleri for a first round pick

The bad
Stajan and pucks for Neon Deon
Kotalik for Jokinen


Not sure how this equals zero eye for talent. Those last two trades were bizarre for sure though.

It’s interesting to see this list. Thanks for putting it together.
I think the perception of Sutters GM skills are skewed by the one trade with the leafs and his coaching hires.
But
It seemed like Playfair and Brent were the way to go when they were initially hired.
And
If you believe the gossip, Dion “had to go” because of friction in the room. Perhaps he was given the choice as to where he’d be traded.
The one area Sutter wasn’t great in was drafting. Was it 7 drafts he was in charge of? Produced 3 or 4 players of note?

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

It’s interesting to see this list. Thanks for putting it together.
I think the perception of Sutters GM skills are skewed by the one trade with the leafs and his coaching hires.
But
It seemed like Playfair and Brent were the way to go when they were initially hired.
And
If you believe the gossip, Dion “had to go” because of friction in the room. Perhaps he was given the choice as to where he’d be traded.
The one area Sutter wasn’t great in was drafting. Was it 7 drafts he was in charge of? Produced 3 or 4 players of note?

The eye for talent is also related to drafting. The Flames drafting was terrible in those years. I don't pin that all on Sutter, but I can't remember the Flames being better at drafting than with Treliving (not that it's a high bar).

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

More bad, really bad.

Ditching Toni Lydman, who was a top four, for a 3rd round pick was abysmal. Trading Andrew Ference and Chuck Kobasew for Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau was horrendous. Yes we got a 4th round pick and thankfully that turned into TJ Brodie but I think you assess the trade on value and moving Ference, who recently signed a new deal here was completely bone headed.

Getting Anton Stralman from Toronto then flipping him needlessly right before the season was about to start to the blue Jackets was f'n weird

[Sandman]

It’s a young man’s game these days, and Sutter has always liked veterans over the youngsters.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The good
Kipper for a second round pick
Reinprect and Warrener for Drury
Alex Tanguay for Leopold and two seconds
Langkow for Gauthier and Saprykin
Huselius for Montador
Cammalleri for a first round pick

The bad
Stajan and pucks for Neon Deon
Kotalik for Jokinen


Not sure how this equals zero eye for talent. Those last two trades were bizarre for sure though.

I meant moreso his drafting but facts noted. Dion fell in his lap. His signings were also pretty bad handcuffing the team for years with those NMCs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The good
Kipper for a second round pick
Reinprect and Warrener for Drury
Alex Tanguay for Leopold and two seconds
Langkow for Gauthier and Saprykin
Huselius for Montador
Cammalleri for a first round pick

The bad
Stajan and pucks for Neon Deon
Kotalik for Jokinen


Not sure how this equals zero eye for talent. Those last two trades were bizarre for sure though.

Chris Chucko

Also, Kipper wasn’t even who he asked for first.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Chris Chucko

Also, Kipper wasn’t even who he asked for first.

Not only did we trade back to get Chucko if we stayed put we had a shot at his teammate Zajac. Not sure it was worth it and what he was thinking.

Tearing apart a younger fast team to become old and slow in 05/06 when the league changed rules to make it more offensive.

He was a bad GM.

Not to mention changing coaches every whines about Treliving but Darryl was close to firing his brother who was terrible which would have been his 4th coaching change.

[midniteowl]

I guess it's the second time the Flames lucked out.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah thats not a full list of trades for sure, and the drafting was the bigger issue.

Good list of all the trades he made here though http://nhltradetracker.com/user/trad...l_Sutter/165/3

[Ferarri]

Not saying Seravalli doesn’t have his sources or that what he’s said about the Flames isn’t true, but something with that guy feels off. Comes across as not a true insider and definitely not a trusted media source in my books. I kind of dismiss his comments and look for more credible information. Also how is he only 34??