Sutter is the problem

[Buff]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638267898161676289

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638268928442105856

No guarantees that he's the next Jon Cooper or will even be a decent NHL coach, but you just now that if Edwards will let the organization move on from Sutter that they won't get a big name coach so I'm more than willing to let Love be the next coach.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Buff

No guarantees that he's the next Jon Cooper or will even be a decent NHL coach, but you just now that if Edwards will let the organization move on from Sutter that they won't get a big name coach so I'm more than willing to let Love be the next coach.

And really I don't see a name out there I really want.

Maybe Andrew Brunette since he did well in Florida after Coach Q was let go, but who knows how much of that was him vs what Quenneville had already implemented.

Travis Green...no thanks.
Alain Vigneault...not a chance.
Dave Tippett...Barf
Bruce Boudreau...I might be okay with him since he does seem to adapt to different situations well.

Personally I think Mitch Love would be okay...and I guess Ryan Huska did interview for the Detroit job last year too but I'd rather not go the assistant to coach route again.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Totally disagree. The guy is terrible this year. Mediocre at best. They need his production badly and rarely get it.

If he is one of the best, that is the reason they are about to miss the playoffs

Wow quite the counter!

I disagree because I disagree!

I'm sure they'd all rather have him scoring but the numbers suggest a player that is driving play and on a pretty strange shooting percentage drop.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I've heard that it played a big role in Tkachuk leaving from multiple people, and really that one has legs going back to 20-21 and even Tkachuk's own comments about "Maurice being the best coach he's ever played for".

But now this is the third time I've also heard it played a big role in Gaudreau leaving, and I do think that one is a bit more surprising since it seemed like they got along. Imagine choosing to take less money, and playing for Columbus because you couldn't stand playing for this coach anymore.

The no captain thing does seem so weird to me too - Sutter has been here three seasons now, two without a captain, you're telling me nobody on a roster full of veterans is able to wear the C.

Think it just speaks to overall how he treats these guys as nobody being good enough.

I only know about the Tkachuk and Gaudreau stuff through you guys, but like I said a few weeks ago this current group cant stand him, and I said people might be surprised but Lindholm is at the top of the list. The fact people may want our or not sign that was dropped is sounding like it might be true.

The no captain thing makes a lot of sense. He is taking charge that this is him team and he is the face of the franchise. He came here for unfinished business and wants to be the face of that. No doubt that is pissing guys off as they have no one that will take their message to him not that he would listen.

Remember when he did end of the season press conference last season, they asked him if he wants Johnny back and he just brushed it off and said he has nothing to say that hasn't been said. Lol couldn't even bring himself to say anything positive.

People think his little media digs mean nothing, but we are finding out they are being noticed by everyone.

Not sure why he has to be so miserable. Hockey is supposed to be a fun game, not sure what lures someone to a job so they can make other people detest them.

[Kovaz]

There's never just one problem if a team is out of the playoffs. All of the following can be true:


1. The Flames don't have an elite core talent-wise
2. Sutter's coaching is holding back the talent they do have
3. They've had a lot of bad luck


It's less important to assign blame than it is to figure out what change stands the best chance of improving things. The reality is, as long as the team doesn't have an elite core to build around, contending is always going to be about trying to catch lightning in a bottle with a team that's more than the sum of its parts. Sutter could be doing an entirely adequate job of coaching, but adequate won't get the team where it wants to go.


IMO, the biggest issue is that the way Sutter coaches is fantastic for polishing and refining a team's two-way game, but it doesn't leave a lot of room for risk-taking and experimentation that lets players build chemistry. It was a great fit for a core like last year where there was already a lot of in-built chemistry between players like Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Lindholm/Mangiapane/Backlund, and cleaning up their defensive game unlocked some truly elite play. But if you're trying to build that chemistry from scratch while trying to play mistake-free 1-0 hockey, you're never going to get there.


I think it's likely that a worse coach will get better results just by letting them play and figure it out on the ice.

[Burning Beard]

I'm sure getting sick of this team giving up on and pushing coaches out. The last couple "players" coaches are absolutely no exception to this either.

[Ashasx]

i too remember well when huberdeau and kadri kicked gulutzan out of town

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I'm sure getting sick of this team giving up on and pushing coaches out. The last couple "players" coaches are absolutely no exception to this either.

Totally agree. "players" coach? They just push the coach around. Hard ass coach? They'll whine "what a meanie". May be they just coach themselves.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I'm sure getting sick of this team giving up on and pushing coaches out. The last couple "players" coaches are absolutely no exception to this either.

What Glenn ever a players coach or just a terrible coach who had no relationships with players and tossed a stick to show hes a tough guy and got run out of town?

Signing Glenn is like missing out on a sale for tomatoes and showing up the last day and getting one with a bunch of black holes but you need that tomato for that sauce tonight so you take it.

Ward was a players coach but his style and line combos terrible hes a great assistant to have but as the head guy he had no clue.

I don't think Mitch Love seems to fit that style. Seems to be a guy who can grow with the team.

I think he is the best choice and a breathe of fresh air.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I only know about the Tkachuk and Gaudreau stuff through you guys, but like I said a few weeks ago this current group cant stand him, and I said people might be surprised but Lindholm is at the top of the list. The fact people may want our or not sign that was dropped is sounding like it might be true.

I haven't heard anything about Lindholm, there was the rumor last offseason that somebody else asked for a trade after Gaudreau and Tkachuk left the team but that Treliving wouldn't make a deal, and there were rumors that it was one of the Swedish Players.

It's quite possible that Lindholm was the one really unhappy with how it all played out.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

i too remember well when huberdeau and kadri kicked gulutzan out of town

Nice snark!

So you enjoy how we get 1.5 years out of a coach then they are done? No matter who the coach is? You aren't getting sick of this at all?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Nice snark!

So you enjoy how we get 1.5 years out of a coach then they are done? No matter who the coach is? You aren't getting sick of this at all?

well I think the only coach this really applies to is Gulutzan, and there are only 2 players left on this team from his era.

Peters was terminated for his racist comments.
Ward was absolutely the worst coach this team has ever had (just look at the Flames underlying numbers before and after Ward - absolutely unreal how he tanked this team).
And now we have Sutter.

And Sutter has for some reason gone senile.

Sometimes the coach just isn't right for the group. And Sutter hasn't made any effort to adapt to his team.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Nice snark!

So you enjoy how we get 1.5 years out of a coach then they are done? No matter who the coach is? You aren't getting sick of this at all?

2-2.5 seasons is a pretty typical coaching tenure unless your team is a Stanley Cup contender, which the Flames certainly aren't. The end of this season will mark 2.5 seasons for Darryl.

Darryl hasn't earned any more leash than your average coach around the league. It doesn't matter who it is: if it's not working — and it certainly isn't working with Darryl — you make a change. Darryl has found very limited success recently in both Calgary and LA. It's time to make a change.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I haven't heard anything about Lindholm, there was the rumor last offseason that somebody else asked for a trade after Gaudreau and Tkachuk left the team but that Treliving wouldn't make a deal, and there were rumors that it was one of the Swedish Players.

It's quite possible that Lindholm was the one really unhappy with how it all played out.

Could be all I know is what heard is about this season and they are all hoping Sutter is canned.

Sutter even threw a little shot at Lindholm a few months back when they asked about his goal production and he said it was because he played with two guys who scored 40 who are not here anymore.

You can only say so much and take so much from the players without ever giving back without a revolt.

Just ugly stuff.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

well I think the only coach this really applies to is Gulutzan, and there are only 2 players left on this team from his era.

Peters was terminated for his racist comments.
Ward was absolutely the worst coach this team has ever had (just look at the Flames underlying numbers before and after Ward - absolutely unreal how he tanked this team).
And now we have Sutter.

And Sutter has for some reason gone senile.

Sometimes the coach just isn't right for the group. And Sutter hasn't made any effort to adapt to his team.

I really hope they decide on a direction before making a coaching change. If it's a rebuild then a guy like Mitch Love should absolutely get a shot. I really don't want to see this version of the team back no matter who the coach is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

I really hope they decide on a direction before making a coaching change. If it's a rebuild then a guy like Mitch Love should absolutely get a shot. I really don't want to see this version of the team back no matter who the coach is.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...000552015.html

This is a roster that Cooper to the finals his 3rd season as coach. Lots of young guys and some vets.

We don't have a Stamkos or Kucherov but we do have some good young players that need to be put in a position to succeed.

Some of them could flourish into the Point or Kucherov, but I can tell one thing no young player is doing that under Darryl Sutter.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

well I think the only coach this really applies to is Gulutzan, and there are only 2 players left on this team from his era.

Peters was terminated for his racist comments.
Ward was absolutely the worst coach this team has ever had (just look at the Flames underlying numbers before and after Ward - absolutely unreal how he tanked this team).
And now we have Sutter.

And Sutter has for some reason gone senile.

Sometimes the coach just isn't right for the group. And Sutter hasn't made any effort to adapt to his team.

Sounds like a lot of that would land directly on the GMs shoulders for terrible coaching hires. Why are some wanting him to stick around?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The trade deadline pretty much shows the keys were taken away from Treliving for pretty much any decision. Sad how the team has gone.

Possible.

The standings took the keys away in my mind though. Not in enough to add, not out enough to sell.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Possible.

The standings took the keys away in my mind though. Not in enough to add, not out enough to sell.

He pretty much said this.

He told the guys look at the standing and put yourself in my shoes what would you do?

Also said we have no expiring players to trade and the ones we do are worthless(my words not his for worthless).

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I'm sure getting sick of this team giving up on and pushing coaches out. The last couple "players" coaches are absolutely no exception to this either.

You are aware there has been substantial turnover in players since Sutter or any other coach has been here? This argument of “this team gives up on coaches” is bogus because it isn’t the same team year-to-year. The personnel is different and the leadership varies. You can’t lump them all into a single collective.