[GDT] Calgary Flames at Arizona Coyotes 8:00pm TV: SN1/O/E, BSAZ - RADIO SN960

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Looking forward to the trippy camera angles from Tempe.

Not going to lie, I love the angle and the lighting there on TV.

[Flamesfan05]

Is this must win or must lose?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Always surprised to see how many trot out the "hope the Flames show up".

In my estimation they've pretty consistently showed up all season. Just don't get the results due to a lack of finish and/or goaltending.

Tonight you can pretty much guarantee 60+% of shot attempts, shots and scoring chances. But do they only score one goal?

So you are saying lack of talent

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Is this must win or must lose?

Must win until they are mathematically eliminated.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So you are saying lack of talent

You are just loving this aren't you?

[genetic_phreek]

I can never take the Coyotes serious. We got this one, easy peasy.

Let's go Flames
Let's go Hurricanes
Let's go Red Wings
Let's go Senators

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

You are just loving this aren't you?

Oiler fans love losing

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Always surprised to see how many trot out the "hope the Flames show up".

In my estimation they've pretty consistently showed up all season. Just don't get the results due to a lack of finish and/or goaltending.

Tonight you can pretty much guarantee 60+% of shot attempts, shots and scoring chances. But do they only score one goal?

Correct. Before Marky turned it around recently, the Flames as a team played very well, were often let down by goaltending. Recently, Marky has stolen some games.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We pounded this college team last time we played it just seemed bad because it was 3-1 for a while and we couldn't buy a goal, but in the end we busted through and netted 5 goals leaving the 2000 Flames Fans in attendance happy and the 2 Coyotes fans upset. One of them called it a playoff atmosphere lol.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know. Maybe it's more desperation that's missing. I thought they didn't look desperate enough against the Ducks.

Third period with 33 shot attempts, 15 shots and 9 high danger chances seems pretty desperate to me.

This isn't specifically on you, but I swear some judge games by the outcome only.

Like the shoot out win in Minnesota was lauded as a great game by the radio and print media when the Flames should have lost that game 4-1.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So you are saying lack of talent

I've trotted out a lack of one on one talent making the creation of high danger opportunities rare many times.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Third period with 33 shot attempts, 15 shots and 9 high danger chances seems pretty desperate to me.

This isn't specifically on you, but I swear some judge games by the outcome only.

Like the shoot out win in Minnesota was lauded as a great game by the radio and print media when the Flames should have lost that game 4-1.

I don't think effort is an issue either they are executing what is being asked of them.

Not being dangerous enough makes it seem like they are not trying, that is the question is how do we take that step to turn volume into more quality and danger and take that next step, are we coached to play it safe and rely on the shot volume breaking through.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't think effort is an issue either they are executing what is being asked of them.

Not being dangerous enough makes it seem like they are not trying, that is the question is how do we take that step to turn volume into more quality and danger and take that next step, are we coached to play it safe and rely on the shot volume breaking through.

I think for sure there could be an issue with shot volume as a goal.

But the creation of high danger to me, is less on systems and more on individual skill and creativity.

So 30/70 split in my mind between coach and players for chance generation.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Always surprised to see how many trot out the "hope the Flames show up".

In my estimation they've pretty consistently showed up all season. Just don't get the results due to a lack of finish and/or goaltending.

Tonight you can pretty much guarantee 60+% of shot attempts, shots and scoring chances. But do they only score one goal?

Agreed, effort won’t be a problem. Can they get solid goaltending and capitalize on scoring chances is more the question.

[Gaskal]

Biggest issue is the lack of actual goals AKA finishing and execution, not effort, which highlights our lack of natural goal scorers.

Don't really have one that can be a threat to score 40+ every year or a committee of two or more 35+ guys. Toffoli and Lindholm are your best bets right now and that's not really cutting it, neither are even close to scratching the top 30 for goal scorers in the league. Edmonton have McDingleberries and Raisaitl who don't exactly move the needle defensively but if you have the #1 and #2 point leaders in the league on your team then I guess it doesn't matter.

So as a result, great chances are being saved, hitting the post, deflecting away/out etc. None of those nice bar-down shots that we love to see

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think for sure there could be an issue with shot volume as a goal.

But the creation of high danger to me, is less on systems and more on individual skill and creativity.

So 30/70 split in my mind between coach and players for chance generation.

There was stat from December that said our slot chances went from 5th to 25th in the NHL.

I don't think its a stat we can find because TSN used some sub service to get it.

They asked about it but the question was skirted around, but it would be interesting know why our slot play as decreased so much if that stat is indeed true.

[IamNotKenKing]

I just hope both teams try hard and have fun.

[HighLifeMan]

Why are we just overlooking that this has been a consistent issue for Darryl Sutter led teams in recent memory? Last year was the anomaly due to the top line being as productive as it was. It's a systematic issue, and the results speak for themselves.

His last three years in LA his teams were analytically dominant yet struggled to consistently win hockey games. Missed the playoffs twice.

After taking over for Geoff Ward the team was an analytically top tier team (top 5-10 in all categories) over it's last 30 games yet had a 15-15 record down the stretch, and missed the playoffs in an extremely easy division.

This year we are an analytically dominant team that struggles to consistently win hockey games, and are a an extreme longshot to make the playoffs.

This is now the fifth time out of the last six years that Darryl's teams have vastly underperformed where the metrics indicate they should be. At what point does it not become about them being unlucky and lacking skill and more so an indication of the limitations of his system in today's game?


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Anyways.. I hope the boys come out with some urgency tonight and don't play down to their opposition. I'd like to see another big game from Huberdeau.

[Toonage]

Francis says no changes to the lines tonight, Markstrom starting

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think for sure there could be an issue with shot volume as a goal.

But the creation of high danger to me, is less on systems and more on individual skill and creativity.

So 30/70 split in my mind between coach and players for chance generation.

This is exactly the issue in my opinion. Players need to do more than just dump the puck into the goalies chest more often than not. There is too much catch and shoot versus quick releases/passes that tend to create more chaos and take advantage of players out of position.