[Trade] Wings Trade Tyler Bertuzzi to the Bruins for a 2024 1st and 2025 4th

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If the Flames start a rebuild today and are selling and are missing the playoffs 7 years from now I have my doubts some of you would be praising them for it...I have my doubts the franchise would be in Calgary

Thankfully, the guy that put them in that spot is the GM up north

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by bluejays

They don’t. He simply knows they need to draft that talent. Him and ownership are not addicted to just pushing forward. You need elite talent from the draft and not free agency to build around. He’s doing it the patient way which is how it was done in Tampa. It’s not rocket science. Some teams just prefer the maverick way and it leads to middle of the pack neither here nor there mediocrity for the fans.

That's not what they did last Summer though, they signed a lot of players and now have to reset again because signings like Copp and Chiarot were disasters. In fact, he messed up big time by trying to improve the tem in a year with several elite talents available if you finish bottom 8 or so

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bluejays

They don’t. He simply knows they need to draft that talent. Him and ownership are not addicted to just pushing forward. You need elite talent from the draft and not free agency to build around. He’s doing it the patient way which is how it was done in Tampa. It’s not rocket science. Some teams just prefer the maverick way and it leads to middle of the pack neither here nor there mediocrity for the fans.

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

That's not what they did last Summer though, they signed a lot of players and now have to reset again because signings like Copp and Chiarot were disasters. In fact, he messed up big time by trying to improve the tem in a year with several elite talents available if you finish bottom 8 or so

Plus, TB had a slew of really high picks - Stamkos/Hedman/Kucherov, plus they found a great goalie at 17OA.

Detroit have had a 4th, 8th and a couple 6ths under Yzerman, and just prior to him drafted around where the Flames sually do - middle of the pack. Really, he's not built through the draft any more than the Flames did picking Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan. He hasn't acquired that many picks either. An extra 1st in 2021, a bunch of 2nds in 2019 (who haven't played yet).

Only Seider and Raymond have seen any real NHL action since he's only been drafting for them since 2019. Obviously it's really early in his time to judge how his rebuild will go. But he has made a couple odd acquisitions which don't fall into the "he has a master plan" formula: Leddy, Copp, Chiarot, Vrana, Perron, Matta.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Plus, TB had a slew of really high picks - Stamkos/Hedman/Kucherov, plus they found a great goalie at 17OA.

Detroit have had a 4th, 8th and a couple 6ths under Yzerman, and just prior to him drafted around where the Flames sually do - middle of the pack. Really, he's not built through the draft any more than the Flames did picking Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan. He hasn't acquired that many picks either. An extra 1st in 2021, a bunch of 2nds in 2019 (who haven't played yet).

Only Seider and Raymond have seen any real NHL action since he's only been drafting for them since 2019. Obviously it's really early in his time to judge how his rebuild will go. But he has made a couple odd acquisitions which don't fall into the "he has a master plan" formula: Leddy, Copp, Chiarot, Vrana, Perron, Matta.

Yup, he is a good GM but there is also a bit of overating him. He had Stamkos/Hedman handed to him in TB, a lot of GM's don't get those kinds of building blocks. And this is his fourth year in Det and they're trading established players for draft picks so something has gone wrong there too

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nm. wrong thread

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

That's not what they did last Summer though, they signed a lot of players and now have to reset again because signings like Copp and Chiarot were disasters. In fact, he messed up big time by trying to improve the tem in a year with several elite talents available if you finish bottom 8 or so

It's still way better to have those deals blow up in your face than a Hamonic/etc trade. Disaster is also a little strong...a little worse than expected is probably more accurate.

Whether they should have tanked from the start is a fair question, but they've still ended up with 2 picks in the top ~15, and 2 more in the top 40. Not to mention the toxic culture from intentional tanking can be hard to get out of. It's hard to see them getting into the bottom 5 regardless.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's still way better to have those deals blow up in your face than a Hamonic/etc trade. Disaster is also a little strong...a little worse than expected is probably more accurate.

Whether they should have tanked from the start is a fair question, but they've still ended up with 2 picks in the top ~15, and 2 more in the top 40. Not to mention the toxic culture from intentional tanking can be hard to get out of. It's hard to see them getting into the bottom 5 regardless.

Copp has six goals, that's gotta be more than just a slight disappointment. And they may have two picks in the top 15, but they may not have any in the top 10