[Trade] Wings Trade Tyler Bertuzzi to the Bruins for a 2024 1st and 2025 4th - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Saqe · 03-02-2023, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

Yzerman is a god damn brilliant GM.

Definitely thinking outside the box and not afraid to make big moves. I like him a lot.

Bourque's Twin · 03-02-2023, 08:09 AM

Amazing trade for Boston for a deep playoff run. If he likes it there, which I’m sure he will, they might be able to sign him again. Great all around player.

bluejays · 03-02-2023, 08:10 AM

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I still think Detroit needs more elite talent, particularly on forward. I wouldn't be surprised if Yzerman doesn't believe his team has the potential to actual compete for a Cup in the next few years without drastic changes.

They don’t. He simply knows they need to draft that talent. Him and ownership are not addicted to just pushing forward. You need elite talent from the draft and not free agency to build around. He’s doing it the patient way which is how it was done in Tampa. It’s not rocket science. Some teams just prefer the maverick way and it leads to middle of the pack neither here nor there mediocrity for the fans.

devo22 · 03-02-2023, 08:12 AM

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I don’t know, I thought the tear down part was supposed to be done already? The team doesn’t seem to be any closer to relevance than they were when he took over 4 years ago

they are just not there yet, but they'll have a brilliant foundation going forward. Raymond and Seider are studs already, and they have guys like Cossa, Edvinsson and Kasper too. Pair that will the extra 1sts they've picked up and vets like Larkin, and you probably have a really good team for a long time.

Ashasx · 03-02-2023, 08:15 AM

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They don’t. He simply knows they need to draft that talent. Him and ownership are not addicted to just pushing forward. You need elite talent from the draft and not free agency to build around. He’s doing it the patient way which is how it was done in Tampa. It’s not rocket science. Some teams just prefer the maverick way and it leads to middle of the pack neither here nor there mediocrity for the fans.

sorry, they don't what?

bluejays · 03-02-2023, 08:17 AM

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sorry, they don't what?

Sorry, I agree they don’t have elite talent. Lost my train of thought.

bax · 03-02-2023, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

they are just not there yet, but they'll have a brilliant foundation going forward. Raymond and Seider are studs already, and they have guys like Cossa, Edvinsson and Kasper too. Pair that will the extra 1sts they've picked up and vets like Larkin, and you probably have a really good team for a long time.

Really?

Maybe I’m missing something, but nothing about their team or core looks brilliant to me.

Seider and Raymond have both faltered against tougher competition this year. Cossa couldn’t stick in the AHL and it’s looking like it was a big miss to take him over Wallstadt.

Edvinsson and Kasper look good, but far from can’t miss prospects.

The team has been carried by Larkin, Kubalik, Perron, and Hronek this season.

Hard to believe they haven’t made the playoffs in 7 seasons and to my eyes don’t have a lot to show for it

Geeoff · 03-02-2023, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bax

I don’t know, I thought the tear down part was supposed to be done already? The team doesn’t seem to be any closer to relevance than they were when he took over 4 years ago

Ehh their record is about the same as the Flames. I think Stevie Y just identifying guys he wants to keep (Dylan Larkin) and guys he doesn't (Hronek, Bertuzzi)

bluejays · 03-02-2023, 08:29 AM

On average any team isn’t going to be able to pick diamonds in the rough. Teams middling and trying to go for it without a solid foundation (ie: Brian Burke teams) are not going to be particularly good year over year. Again, gotta draft high to have the best chances of picking someone good. Still a chance it doesn’t work out but higher picks have a better chance of working out.

Erick Estrada · 03-02-2023, 08:38 AM

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Really?

Maybe I’m missing something, but nothing about their team or core looks brilliant to me.

Seider and Raymond have both faltered against tougher competition this year. Cossa couldn’t stick in the AHL and it’s looking like it was a big miss to take him over Wallstadt.

Edvinsson and Kasper look good, but far from can’t miss prospects.

The team has been carried by Larkin, Kubalik, Perron, and Hronek this season.

Hard to believe they haven’t made the playoffs in 7 seasons and to my eyes don’t have a lot to show for it

I think they are building a solid foundation but it's hard to ignore that taking Cossa over Wallstadt looks like a massive blunder that could set the organization back.

devo22 · 03-02-2023, 08:41 AM

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Really?

Maybe I’m missing something, but nothing about their team or core looks brilliant to me.

Seider and Raymond have both faltered against tougher competition this year. Cossa couldn’t stick in the AHL and it’s looking like it was a big miss to take him over Wallstadt.

Edvinsson and Kasper look good, but far from can’t miss prospects.

The team has been carried by Larkin, Kubalik, Perron, and Hronek this season.

Hard to believe they haven’t made the playoffs in 7 seasons and to my eyes don’t have a lot to show for it

Raymond and Seider might have gone through a bit of a sophomore slump, but they are young core pieces for sure. As for Cossa, it's way too early to judge that. Wallstedt looks far superior for sure, but Cossa is 20 ... time is on his side.

Yzerman sold high on Hronek and fans wanted him to ship out Bertuzzi too. If they continue to build patiently through the draft, I have no doubt they'll be really good in a few years.

Sylvanfan · 03-02-2023, 08:44 AM

I think Seider was Yzerman's first pick as GM in 2019. Looks like he's being very selective with what he keeps from the previous regime.

Drake · 03-02-2023, 08:52 AM

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How does Boston have the cap space for this?

Taylor Hall was just placed on LTIR. Opens up $6M in LTIR cap space.

GioforPM · 03-02-2023, 08:53 AM

Yzerman is a decent GM, but this is probably as much about not getting any deal done with Bertuzzi for an extension as anything else. Bertuzzi is usually a .5 PPG guy but last year was closer to PPG. And he’s a very incomplete player. So he probably want to be paid but Yzerman doesn’t want to cripple his budget, with Larkin’s new deal kicking in next year.

PepsiFree · 03-02-2023, 08:56 AM

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Yzerman is a decent GM, but this is probably as much about not getting any deal done with Bertuzzi for an extension as anything else. Bertuzzi is usually a .5 PPG guy but last year was closer to PPG. And he’s a very incomplete player. So he probably want to be paid but Yzerman doesn’t want to cripple his budget, with Larkin’s new deal kicking in next year.

While I think “brilliant” is a little eye-rolly, he’s probably better than decent.

It’s a decent trade, but at best you hope that 1st turns into a Bertuzzi 5-7 years from now. It’s not exactly a “building” trade when you consider their window based on Larkin’s age.

Kipper_3434 · 03-02-2023, 08:57 AM

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Hopefully the Presidents Trophy curse doesn’t get the Bruins. Cause that’s a stacked team they have

There is no president's trophy curse. It's not a guarantee , but there is significant statistical evidence that the president's trophy winner wins the cup more often than any of the other 15 playoff qualifiers.

GioforPM · 03-02-2023, 09:05 AM

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While I think “brilliant” is a little eye-rolly, he’s probably better than decent.

It’s a decent trade, but at best you hope that 1st turns into a Bertuzzi 5-7 years from now. It’s not exactly a “building” trade when you consider their window based on Larkin’s age.

Decent may be understated, but I think while Yzerman has been competent since leaving TB, there’s no real evidence he’s a cut above other good GMs. The wings have been rebuilding since he got there and it looks kind of like they are starting the process over.

This deal - I just mean that this is as likely to be contract based as some sort of Master Plan by Yzerman.

Ashasx · 03-02-2023, 09:11 AM

pros: architect behind the Lightning's two most recent stanley cup wins

cons: signed ben chiarot for 4 years at a $4.75MM AAV

Enoch Root · 03-02-2023, 09:12 AM

Moving Bertuzzi does not help Detroit, it hurts them.

A 2024 1st, from Boston, is a 20-30 pick. 50% chance of getting a player, and that player probably isn't a factor until at least 2028. This doesn't help their current build at all.

I am not trying to criticize Yzerman here, but I find it hilarious that literally every thing he does, generates "Yzerman is a genius" posts.

Samonadreau · 03-02-2023, 09:18 AM

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Moving Bertuzzi does not help Detroit, it hurts them.

A 2024 1st, from Boston, is a 20-30 pick. 50% chance of getting a player, and that player probably isn't a factor until at least 2028. This doesn't help their current build at all.

I am not trying to criticize Yzerman here, but I find it hilarious that literally every thing he does, generates "Yzerman is a genius" posts.

Mybe there was a good chance they were going to lose him for nothing this summer. So in that case they needed to move him.

They could always use those picks to trade for somone else and help their team now (next season).