[PGT] Bruins 4 Flames 3 OT Loss

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

One day soon we will talk about how ‘high danger’ is defined, and what the implication is

Was that said in a James Earl Jones voice?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Rough by Vladar, gotta have the first one.

But easy win… you don’t see a problem with 3 goals on 57 shots?

Well, easy in that it would have been a lop-sided victory in terms of possession over the game. The Bruins shouldn’t have scored the first 2 goals. So it’d be a 3-1 game with a great performance by their goalie.

This is one where I the Flames shooters weren’t firing softies from outside - Ullmark was just that good, and lucky the puck hit him in a couple cases. That 57 doesn’t even include the lucky post and rebound by Lucic.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

One day soon we will talk about how ‘high danger’ is defined, and what the implication is

Can you just create a stat called "special ultra high danger chance, brought to you by DeluxeMoustache" already?

Obviously the people who built these models based on hundreds of thousands of shots are stupid and can't see what is so plainly obvious to you.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, easy in that it would have been a lop-sided victory in terms of possession over the game. The Bruins shouldn’t have scored the first 2 goals. So it’d be a 3-1 game with a great performance by their goalie.

This is one where I the Flames shooters weren’t firing softies from outside - Ullmark was just that good, and lucky the puck hit him in a couple cases. That 57 doesn’t even include the lucky post and rebound by Lucic.

or Toffoli shooting it over the empty net

or Mangiapane shooting wide with an empty net

[Roof-Daddy]

Speaking of Ullmark, man I remember wanting the Flames to sign him to be the back up two years ago when he was a free agent.

Not sure if they even tried or not, but in the end they trade for Vladar from the Bruins (which truthfully was a solid move) and then the Bruins sign Ullmark.

LOL

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Again
Just like the Vegas game, I didn’t expect them to get a point
If you look at the remaining games for the flames and everyone else, I don’t think it’s necessary over either

11-4-6 record vs those teams even with all their bad luck this season.

I have a good feeling that they will get to 96-97 points.

[Toonage]

Yesterday felt like the perfect storm for change in Calgary.

Bettman on hand and not threatening to move the team
All the trades made in the league
Murray Edwards there and likely speaking at length with Treliving
Jon Hamm!

Something has to give

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

One day soon we will talk about how ‘high danger’ is defined, and what the implication is

The definition is correct as it is a high danger CHANCE from the spot where player receives the puck.

Not a high danger shot placement which could be something you could start!
Maybe call it the HDSP% (High Deluxe shot placement)

Dube's goal is a perfect example. Doesn't matter if he scored or hit Ullmark's logo, it is a high danger CHANCE from that spot.

Then you can use your HDSP% and break it down if puck was placed 18 inches (above pad but below glove), bar down, post in, logo finder, etc.

[PeteMoss]

we are cursed.

[tvp2003]

If we met the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals, and they were required to play the second game of a back-to-back against us for all seven games but somehow we were rested, I truly believe we could take that series in 7.

Alas, Bettman would never let that happen…

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Can you just create a stat called "special ultra high danger chance, brought to you by DeluxeMoustache" already?

Obviously the people who built these models based on hundreds of thousands of shots are stupid and can't see what is so plainly obvious to you.

1. No, I can’t.

I have an idea what would be needed for a meaningful stat, but the information required is not being recorded and available publicly as far as I am aware


2. On the contrary. I don’t think they are stupid in any way

They are doing a good job given the data they have to work with, trying to extend it

And in fact, they recognize that there is significant challenge and question if it is actually possible to decouple goaltender performance from team performance

The thing is, many people understand the concept at which xG stats are trying to arrive, but most of them don’t actually understand how dangers are assigned, and what probabilities are assigned to various danger levels

It really is a good attempt but really ends up being a marginal improvement on sv%

Like I said, but not in a James Earl Jones voice, maybe we will take some time to dig in to it. Truly from a point of being interested, and thinking others may as well, but I fear some people are just going to be dicks about it

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

1. No, I can’t.

I have an idea what would be needed for a meaningful stat, but the information required is not being recorded and available publicly as far as I am aware


2. On the contrary. I don’t think they are stupid in any way

They are doing a good job given the data they have to work with, trying to extend it

And in fact, they recognize that there is significant challenge and question if it is actually possible to decouple goaltender performance from team performance

The thing is, many people understand the concept at which xG stats are trying to arrive, but most of them don’t actually understand how dangers are assigned, and what probabilities are assigned to various danger levels

It really is a good attempt but really ends up being a marginal improvement on sv%

Like I said, but not in a James Earl Jones voice, maybe we will take some time to dig in to it. Truly from a point of being interested, and thinking others may as well, but I fear some people are just going to be dicks about it

Good thing you're never anything but friendly and polite when beating the hell out of your dead horse!

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Must.. win a point by doing dumb stuff in overtime. Let's go!

This one's on me guys.. from the gdt thread :/

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Okay, so I actually went to bed when the Flames went up 3-2. I thought they were playing so well that it would be hard to lose that game once they went up in the 3rd with not a lot of time remaining.

I woke up to the prototypical 4-3 Flames OT loss. Heee-####ing-larious.

I cannot wait for this season to end. We are absolutely cursed, and no amount of good play is going to overcome it. Just let the suffering end please...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Speaking of Ullmark, man I remember wanting the Flames to sign him to be the back up two years ago when he was a free agent.

Not sure if they even tried or not, but in the end they trade for Vladar from the Bruins (which truthfully was a solid move) and then the Bruins sign Ullmark.

LOL

Really though there's a very good chance that Ulmark would have been a bust for the Flames once Sigalet and his staff got a hold of him. We are well past the days of thinking the poor goaltending is due solely to the goaltenders being bad. There's something going on within the organization that's contributing to goaltenders playing worse the longer they play for the Flames. Can't blame the head coach this time as Darryl Sutter has the team playing the right way and yet the goaltenders are worst in the league.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Alas, Bettman would never let that happen…

Man, even in 2023 people are still whining about Bettman

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Okay, so I actually went to bed when the Flames went up 3-2. I thought they were playing so well that it would be hard to lose that game once they went up in the 3rd with not a lot of time remaining.

I woke up to the prototypical 4-3 Flames OT loss. Heee-####ing-larious.

I cannot wait for this season to end. We are absolutely cursed, and no amount of good play is going to overcome it. Just let the suffering end please...

Further vindication that there's just something off with the goalies. This team has it's issues, but they can certainly play well enough as a collective group to be in the playoffs.

Vladar should be stapled to the bench for the rest of the season - he's been far worse than Markstrom has at any point this year over his last 10 or so games and it seems to be getting worse. If Tre want's to make one deadline move, it should be to call up Wolf and give this team a look with a different backup down the stretch.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Further vindication that there's just something off with the goalies. This team has it's issues, but they can certainly play well enough as a collective group to be in the playoffs.

Vladar should be stapled to the bench for the rest of the season - he's been far worse than Markstrom has at any point this year over his last 10 or so games and it seems to be getting worse. If Tre want's to make one deadline move, it should be to call up Wolf and give this team a look with a different backup down the stretch.

If we're just going to play out the string I would rather just let the worst goalie play and hope for a better draft pick. No sense in having Wolf play lights out to secure 9th place. There will be plenty of time next year to see if Markstrom is permanently broken.

Edit. If you're saying the team really thinks they can make the playoffs then I agree, give Wolf a try.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Was that said in a James Earl Jones voice?

I've started reading them in a PeeWee Herman voice. Makes way more sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

or Toffoli shooting it over the empty net

or Mangiapane shooting wide with an empty net

Toffoli looked stricken at that one. he had a couple ones he muffed. TBF I was watching from the same angle Toffoli shot from and I think Ullmark saves it if it’s on net. He was getting to that position.