2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If Phillips is good enough he will be an NHLer at some point

I have my doubts...its not like the Flames are holding him back and everyone else around the league thinks he is some kinda star like some fans seem to. Guy has cleared waivers multiple times, and really if somebody wanted him right now a late round pick is all it would take.

Did you honestly suggest that Mangiapane and Dube aren't much better lol

Yep because it comes down to essentially bias and opportunity. In terms of pure skills, highly doubt there’s some kind of massive difference. Generally yes, they are probably a little bit better but you never know how guys develop (or in the case of Mangi, get worse because they signed some massive contract).

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

back to rumors...its going to be hilarious when at least half these "all in" teams are out in round one

the 15th overall pick won't look so bad at that point

bonus points when the Panthers miss the playoffs and don't have a first at all

I'm just wondering what more is going to happen before deadline day? Most "buyers" are all done already, and most of the big names are off the board. Guess the D are up next....

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I'm a huge fan of Walker Duehr, for example, but he put up 26 points in 41 AHL games for a pts/gp of .63. Duehr has put up 4 points in 11 NHL games for a pts/gp of .36, and 2 of those points came against the lowly Coyotes. The only 2 players he's been better than would be Lucic and Lewis. The gulf between the AHL and NHL is HUGE.

Players from the AHL that struggled this year? DeSimone, Phillips, Rooney, Zohorna, and Mackey. Zo was good for a few games, then fell off- Sutter said as much.

Rooney Mackey and Zohorna started in the NHL and got shifted down. They are the opposite so very poor examples. Phillips was fine. DeSimone is your only legit example, I agree, didn’t show phenomenally. Phillips did nothing wrong, he could have been in the press box and you wouldn’t have noticed, why? Because he got 6 mins and extremely sheltered exposure because Sutter was more worried about his ego and being told to play him than he was interested in actually giving the kid a legit chance. Then media and publicity started to heat up and he made a ####ty comment one post game and voila, got spoken to more sternly and all of a sudden magically Pelletier is actually given a shot and- who would have thunk it- performs because he’s on a line with Huberdeau and Kadri. Like, come on now. Put Phillips 14-16 mins a night with Huberdeau and Kadri and you’ll see pretty much par for par the same metrics and performance.

Duerr, again, is on line 4 in a checking role in the NHL. The difference is most definitely not “HUGE”.

[dino7c]

There is more to hockey than points

there is a MASSIVE difference between leagues...this isn't even a debate

now send me $20

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

How much better is a guy like Mangiapane or Dube than Phillips? Honest question. I bet if you watched them for 50 hours, you’d notice almost negligible differences. People get focused on names and reputation and contracts and the NHL glitz and glam. When it comes down to it? Not that different between the AHL and NHL.

How does Mangi perform on line 4 for 6 minutes a night?

These guys need to be rotated in and out to stay working hard and performing.

You might be right but. Phillips has been in Stockton with both these guys. He's from the same draft as Dube. Phillips didn't hit PPG until he was 23, his 4th year in the AHL. Mang was strong year 1 and dominant year 2, at 20 and 21 years. Dube was basically dominant right from year 1 at 20, and again at 21 in two seasons where he split time with Stockton and Calgary.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Rooney Mackey and Zohorna started in the NHL and got shifted down. They are the opposite so very poor examples. Phillips was fine. DeSimone is your only legit example, I agree, didn’t show phenomenally. Phillips did nothing wrong, he could have been in the press box and you wouldn’t have noticed, why? Because he got 6 mins and extremely sheltered exposure because Sutter was more worried about his ego and being told to play him than he was interested in actually giving the kid a legit chance. Then media and publicity started to heat up and he made a ####ty comment one post game and voila, got spoken to more sternly and all of a sudden magically Pelletier is actually given a shot and- who would have thunk it- performs because he’s on a line with Huberdeau and Kadri. Like, come on now. Put Phillips 14-16 mins a night with Huberdeau and Kadri and you’ll see pretty much par for par the same metrics and performance.

Duerr, again, is on line 4 in a checking role in the NHL. The difference is most definitely not “HUGE”.

Rooney, Mackey, and Zo are poor examples of players who struggled??? Rooney absolutely STUNK, Mackey has handled the puck like a grenade, and Zo would still be there if he played well enough. It doesn't matter if they started the year in the NHL, they are AHL-calibre until they earn a spot.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Duehr seems far more likely to be an NHLer...size matters obviously

Phillips wouldn't be effective in a 4th line roles he needs to be top six

There's no such thing as a 4th line role in the NHL in 2023.

Every player on every line is expected to outperform the guys he goes up against on the ice. The best way to outperform the other guy is to be better at hockey, faster, bigger, smarter, better hands, whatever combination of those that you need. Phillips can hypothetically be good using his good passing and good puck pursuit.

The Flames 4th line gets easy zone starts, easy matchups, and sheltered ice time. That Lewis and Lucic are still failing says that they're not very good at hockey anymore, and that they're still being allowed to fail says that the coach and management group don't understand that it is possible to have all 12 of your forwards be actual good players.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

There's no such thing as a 4th line role in the NHL in 2023.

Every player on every line is expected to outperform the guys he goes up against on the ice. The best way to outperform the other guy is to be better at hockey, faster, bigger, smarter, better hands, whatever combination of those that you need. Phillips can hypothetically be good using his good passing and good puck pursuit.

The Flames 4th line gets easy zone starts, easy matchups, and sheltered ice time. That Lewis and Lucic are still failing says that they're not very good at hockey anymore, and that they're still being allowed to fail says that the coach and management group don't understand that it is possible to have all 12 of your forwards be actual good players.

Lucic, sure. Lewis is just fine.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

There's no such thing as a 4th line role in the NHL in 2023.

Every player on every line is expected to outperform the guys he goes up against on the ice. The best way to outperform the other guy is to be better at hockey, faster, bigger, smarter, better hands, whatever combination of those that you need. Phillips can hypothetically be good using his good passing and good puck pursuit.

The Flames 4th line gets easy zone starts, easy matchups, and sheltered ice time. That Lewis and Lucic are still failing says that they're not very good at hockey anymore, and that they're still being allowed to fail says that the coach and management group don't understand that it is possible to have all 12 of your forwards be actual good players.

not true, there are certainly checkers, PK specialists and fighters in the NHL still. We can go trough every single team in the league and find a player with less scoring skill than MP but the teams obviously want those players over him or a player like him.

Maybe the Flames are holding him back but its not like any other team is banging down the door. The worst teams in the league didn't think he was worth a waiver claim.

I can promise than Dube and Mangiapane wouldn't clear waivers...let alone at league min salary

[Sandman]

I just read on nhltraderumors an article where they claim (take it with a HUGE grain of salt) that Pittsburgh is exploring trading G Tristan Jarry. They say that contract talks are going nowhere (he's an upcoming UFA), and that the Pens are worried about his injury history.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I just read on nhltraderumors an article where they claim (take it with a HUGE grain of salt) that Pittsburgh is exploring trading G Tristan Jarry. They say that contract talks are going nowhere (he's an upcoming UFA), and that the Pens are worried about his injury history.

I wonder if they explore something with the Ducks for Gibson.

[Flamesfan05]

I don’t know why people keep arguing for Phillips

He is not an NHL caliber, period. Nobody in the league thinks he is.
There is a reason he keeps coming back knowing the Flames would almost never give him a chance. Nobody else is interested.

There is nothing else he can do here. He needs to find his luck somewhere else. My guess is he will be in Europe soon enough.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I just read on nhltraderumors an article where they claim (take it with a HUGE grain of salt) that Pittsburgh is exploring trading G Tristan Jarry. They say that contract talks are going nowhere (he's an upcoming UFA), and that the Pens are worried about his injury history.

Pretty risky to move on from a 27 year old goaltender with a career .915 SV% as it's pretty hard to get better goaltending unless you have a top 5 elite guy. Markstrom for instance only has two seasons as a starter where his SV% has eclipsed .915.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pretty risky to move on from a 27 year old goaltender with a career .915 SV% as it's pretty hard to get better goaltending unless you have a top 5 elite guy. Markstrom for instance only has two seasons as a starter where his SV% has eclipsed .915.

The rumour of Jerry’s being available has been around all year.

They clearly don’t like his contract demands.

[Vinny01]

I have wondered about the Flames rumored interest in Boeser and Schenn and wonder if they could be in a buy and sell scenario?

Would they be so bold to sell high on Toffoli and say Tanev or Zadorov and then turnaround and acquire the Canucks players for less so they stay somewhat relevant this year but leave the deadline with more assets than they started with?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The rumour of Jerry’s being available has been around all year.

They clearly don’t like his contract demands.

What's the alternative? Really there's nowhere to go but down if they move on from him. He will be the best goaltender available in free agency and will get paid. He should be worth at least Markstrom money.

[dammage79]

Nor sure I see Boeser going anywhere but the Wild . Seems like that's where he wants to go.

[Kipper_3434]

Heard folks talking oilers at work today. Apparently the word is that they are bringing in Saros for MP, Campbell and a 1st. Lol

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Heard folks talking oilers at work today. Apparently the word is that they are bringing in Saros for MP, Campbell and a 1st. Lol

lmao

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What's the alternative? Really there's nowhere to go but down if they move on from him. He will be the best goaltender available in free agency and will get paid. He should be worth at least Markstrom money.

Yeah, I don’t Imagine being a goalie in Pittsburgh is the easiest job in the league. He’s only 27, just going in to his prime. Pay the man, he’s earned it.