[News] CSEC and City of Calgary agree to restart formal discussions on new arena

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Locke

Art Vandelay's preliminary design.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Art Vandelay's preliminary design.

What we need is a Twix lineup!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I never understand people who belittle teachers. You're also an a-hole for belittling janitors, who probably work harder than you, but teachers definitely do. And a fair few of them are most certainly smarter than you.

But on the face why I hate this argument the most is that it's totally intellectually stupid. So, you would trust someone to hang around and mentor your kid for the majority of your child's waking life, yet you would also put that same person in the lowest tier of society and treat them like they're deplorables? The same people you trust with your kid?

####ing idiotic.

We might just be lucky and they didn’t procreate.

[Madman]

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

And here folks, is why Calgary voters are gonna ruin this province for the rest of Alberta

Creating arbitrary division lines, and turning politics into Calgary vs 'the rest of Alberta' is a great way to ruin the province, IMO. Maybe you can build a wall around Calgary and then we won't have to talk to, or look at, each other!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Not belittling teachers as teachers. As people who run a business they should have no say. I will trust people who have run a business for 20-30 years and understand the ins and outs of profit/loss and government regulations. Also from seeing where Canada's rankings are going in regards to STEM maybe we need to refocus the curriculum.

####ing idiotic!!!!

You're charming.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Not belittling teachers as teachers. As people who run a business they should have no say. I will trust people who have run a business for 20-30 years and understand the ins and outs of profit/loss and government regulations. Also from seeing where Canada's rankings are going in regards to STEM maybe we need to refocus the curriculum.

####ing idiotic!!!!

You put far too much faith in the private sector for your own good. Only 25% of businesses have 15-year or more longevity. The majority succumb to market forces. Are those businesses looking out for you the individual? Or their own existence?

Also with your implication to politics, this whole "run things like a business" has got to stop on two very basic points.

- Governments take in tax money, businesses don't.
- By and large, businesses operate under a for-profit model, governments are not for-profit organizations.

Two completely difference objectives and realms. And I guarantee you, the people who go into government life with that 'rah-rah business' attitude come out with a whole different (and realistic) set of expectations.

The operating body that sets regulations for the economy and institutional frameworks does not operate the same as those that have to abide by them.

/end

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't live in Alberta so can someone please explain why this is a thing? Did the Oilers pay for their arena outright and the Flames are begging the city and province for help?

According to Ryan Pike on the radio about 20 minutes ago, the net present value of funds the Oilers actually contributed is $50 million. That's a helluva deal for the Oilers, and definitely won't happen here.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

According to Ryan Pike on the radio about 20 minutes ago, the net present value of funds the Oilers actually contributed is $50 million. That's a helluva deal for the Oilers, and definitely won't happen here.

Yeah, the City of Edmonton got fleeced. And the City of Calgary would be wise to not go that route.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Do you think you're being funny by intentionally misspelling Jyoti Gondek's name? Schticks like this and continuously misrepresenting what the City of Calgary has done on this project vs what CSEC has done makes you sound like a moron.

Grow up.

LOL holy! That was totally sarcastic and was typing as a deplorable UCP loving Calgarian! hahahahaha

I thought that the she has 10 votes on council would have given that away. I like Gondek.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Muta

Would love to see this. As an experienced architect, you should do it!

Well I basically just copied the arena we have now.

Added some fins to lower wind resistance.

And a racing stripe that I think looks pretty sharp.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

According to Ryan Pike on the radio about 20 minutes ago, the net present value of funds the Oilers actually contributed is $50 million. That's a helluva deal for the Oilers, and definitely won't happen here.

The NPV of the *previous* City/CSEC deal was ~ -$50m.


The Oilers ownership kicked in about $35-40m into Rogers Place.


Two similar numbers, but distinct.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Not belittling teachers as teachers. As people who run a business they should have no say. I will trust people who have run a business for 20-30 years and understand the ins and outs of profit/loss and government regulations. Also from seeing where Canada's rankings are going in regards to STEM maybe we need to refocus the curriculum.

####ing idiotic!!!!

Based solely on the first two sentences you probably should have spent more time in school with your teachers.

[corporatejay]

Government is not nor should it ever be, run like a business.

[Strange Brew]

Some parts should. Efficiency, getting value for money spent, reward high performing employees, investing in productivity improvements, listening to your stakeholders.

These are all qualities that high performing organizations share.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Some parts should. Efficiency, getting value for money spent, reward high performing employees, investing in productivity improvements, listening to your stakeholders.

These are all qualities that high performing organizations share.

True, but to single these out as "everything needs to operate like business" is kind of odd because there's lots of businesses that do a pretty crappy job at some of these things and doing them well is not the exclusive domain of business.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Government is not nor should it ever be, run like a business.

You're in luck, they never are.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You put far too much faith in the private sector for your own good. Only 25% of businesses have 15-year or more longevity. The majority succumb to market forces. Are those businesses looking out for you the individual? Or their own existence?

Also with your implication to politics, this whole "run things like a business" has got to stop on two very basic points.

- Governments take in tax money, businesses don't.
- By and large, businesses operate under a for-profit model, governments are not for-profit organizations.

Two completely difference objectives and realms. And I guarantee you, the people who go into government life with that 'rah-rah business' attitude come out with a whole different (and realistic) set of expectations.

The operating body that sets regulations for the economy and institutional frameworks does not operate the same as those that have to abide by them.

/end

Fabulous!

Should governments be run efficiently, effectively and productively?

Your statements are very naive.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Fabulous!

Should governments be run efficiently, effectively and productively?

Your statements are very naive.

LOL

Completely missed the boat on my post. Like didn't even make it belly-flopping off the pier.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Torture

True, but to single these out as "everything needs to operate like business" is kind of odd because there's lots of businesses that do a pretty crappy job at some of these things and doing them well is not the exclusive domain of business.

The biggest reason businesses are perceived to have higher efficiency isn't because the private sector is magic. It's because the lowest efficiency operations in most sectors get competed into the ground and close, and their market share is taken by their more efficient competitors.

An inefficient government department is unlikely to lose its funding to a more efficient competitor.