[PGT] Flames 4 Gaudreau 3 (OT Win)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Dude, it went in under his arm as he was moving right

Your screen capture shows nothing other than pretty good post seal, which was the desired position.

If you don’t know what the royal road is, you should educate yourself before responding

It's not a prime shooting location is the point

People would be harsh on Markstrom for that one too

I also said I would start him next game so it's not like I'm trashing the guy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

How was he brutal? Expected goals was 2.24. Definitely could have made 1 more save, but not brutal .

Markstrom would have given up 1 or 2 in the first. Vladar has a way of keeping the Flames tied or ahead in most of his games.

We are all cheering for both goaltenders right?

I mean we want them to both succeed and help the team pick up points?

Because man when you see someone push back by throwing a guy under the bus that didn't even play you have to wonder if you're bringing a lense to the game that isn't 100% supportive.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

If you don’t know what the royal road is, you should educate yourself before responding

This stuff is so funny. “Royal road” has more mentions in the last week than in the last 5 years combined. Clearly some announcer or analyst mentioned it, and now some of you are pretending everybody should know what it is.

You could just tell him it’s a cross-ice pass, a through the slot pass, or just a pass that crosses the center of the ice. You guys don’t need to pretend you know more because you’re suddenly using a term nobody has used on here for the last several years before the Colorado PGT.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

look where he shot it from and it wasn't even a good shot...Vladar's pad was in the freaking net inside the post or it doesn't go in

"Royal Road" even Kelly thought it was iffy and that is rare

Vladar had an .880 this game, he wasn't good

The way the Flames are trading high danger chances to cheat offensively in games they dominate, I don't think it's fair to focus on either goaltenders save percentage.

Game was a 2.2 expected goals against game and he gave up 3. Not a first star turn but not the issue.

Markstrom has been the same many nights this year as well and been jumped on.

Silly pattern from this fan base to have "their guy" and hate the other one.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This stuff is so funny. “Royal road” has more mentions in the last week than in the last 5 years combined.

Clearly you don't listen to NHL Network Radio and Steve Kouleas.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The way the Flames are trading high danger chances to cheat offensively in games they dominate, I don't think it's fair to focus on either goaltenders save percentage.

Game was a 2.2 expected goals against game and he gave up 3. Not a first start turn but not the issue.

Markstrom has been the same many nights this year as well and been jumped on.

Silly pattern from this fan base to have "their guy" and hate the other one.

Well I didn't, in fact I said Vladar should start the next game...don't think Vladar was very good last night though.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Its not far off from the Ovechkin spot - goal scorers can score from there.

It's not weak ... but it's one he could save. Similar to how a lot of Markstrom's have been this year, and overall wasn't Vladar's best night. Of all 3 the third is the one he might want most, even though it's off the post you never want to be best short side there.

Markstrom's lateral movement has been so poor at times this season that honestly I bet he might have made that Laine shot look unstoppable because he might not have gotten across to even get a piece of it.

Takes talent to turn a Vladar miss into a Markstrom drive by!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This stuff is so funny. “Royal road” has more mentions in the last week than in the last 5 years combined. Clearly some announcer or analyst mentioned it, and now some of you are pretending everybody should know what it is.

You could just tell him it’s a cross-ice pass, a through the slot pass, or just a pass that crosses the center of the ice. You guys don’t need to pretend you know more because you’re suddenly using a term nobody has used on here for the last several years before the Colorado PGT.

Out of thanks but thanks

I mean really...I thought we were talking Mario Kart. He also wasn't in a prime shooting location anyway that is too close to the net and too close boards. Ovechkin spot is a far better angle than that.

[GreenLantern]

Probably already said in 17 pages, but this game is without a doubt the TSN turning point of the season.

A lot of demons exorcised tonight.

Also Pelletier totally looks like a NHL player. Good hockey sense.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the too many men was correct.

When they were discussing it a player skated into the view from the center ice side of the ice. But when they did the replay they didn't show that high when they counted to five.

Think they had six but we never saw a wide enough view of the ice.

at the rink it looked obvious to me (but sometimes the mind's eye plays tricks) and the Jackets also had another one very similar about 3 minutes earlier

[dino7c]

Yeah Kelly is all like "5 guys that proves it!"

But you can't even see half the ice surface, I'm almost certain there were 2 guys at the bench, 3 in the zone, and one cherry picker

[MillerTime GFG]

I don't love how hard we have to work to beat any team really.

I do love the brand of hockey we play when thinking about playoffs, though I do still think we give up too many high danger chances.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Out of thanks but thanks

I mean really...I thought we were talking Mario Kart. He also wasn't in a prime shooting location anyway that is too close to the net and too close boards. Ovechkin spot is a far better angle than that.

Mario Kart is not Royal Road, it’s Rainbow Road…. eDuCaTe yOurSelF!!!!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's not a prime shooting location is the point

People would be harsh on Markstrom for that one too

I also said I would start him next game so it's not like I'm trashing the guy.

No one would be hard on Markstrom for that second goal. The third one, maybe.

Facts about the second goal:

1) It was a powerplay goal, so Vladar had to be aware of multiple potentially open scorers while an elite player (Gaudreau) had the puck at the half wall
2) The pass crossed the centre of the ice (the proverbial royal road) which has a high correlation with goal-scoring, arguably the single-highest
3) The shooter, Laine, has an elite release on his off-wing. Like, top five in NHL elite.
4) The actual scoring angle is very similar to where a lot of actual 40+ goal scorers (Draisaitl, Kucherov, and a handful of others) produce their powerplay goals from. While that might be a poor angle if (1)/(2)/(3) were not valid, it's a highly dangerous angle in this context.
5) Vlasar still got a piece of it, which itself would have been a challenge. Laine just managed to release it and place it perfectly

Out of all the goals scored yesterday, the second one was probably the toughest for any goalie to stop. The Marchenko one was tough too (also royal road crossing one timer) but actually an easier angle. The Jennet one was the one he might want back rven though it was a snipe on a two-on-one.

End of day, 5v5 performance is what to reliably evaluate goalies on, as penalty killing can be random. Vladar had a strong performance 5v5

[442scotty]

I have no problem with Vladar last night. All three Columbus goals were absolute snipes

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No one would be hard on Markstrom for that second goal.

Oh yes they would. He gets blamed for goals on deflections and screens so there's no reason to think nobody crucifies him for that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No one would be hard on Markstrom for that second goal. The third one, maybe.

Facts about the second goal:

1) It was a powerplay goal, so Vladar had to be aware of multiple potentially open scorers while an elite player (Gaudreau) had the puck at the half wall
2) The pass crossed the centre of the ice (the proverbial royal road) which has a high correlation with goal-scoring, arguably the single-highest
3) The shooter, Laine, has an elite release on his off-wing. Like, top five in NHL elite.
4) The actual scoring angle is very similar to where a lot of actual 40+ goal scorers (Draisaitl, Kucherov, and a handful of others) produce their powerplay goals from. While that might be a poor angle if (1)/(2)/(3) were not valid, it's a highly dangerous angle in this context.
5) Vlasar still got a piece of it, which itself would have been a challenge. Laine just managed to release it and place it perfectly

Out of all the goals scored yesterday, the second one was probably the toughest for any goalie to stop. The Marchenko one was tough too (also royal road crossing one timer) but actually an easier angle. The Jennet one was the one he might want back rven though it was a snipe on a two-on-one.

End of day, 5v5 performance is what to reliably evaluate goalies on, as penalty killing can be random. Vladar had a strong performance 5v5

Multiple people who were at the game and even Kelly thought it was a weak one so I don't think you are correct

I hope you give Markstrom the PP goals don't count benefit down the road as you have been really harsh him.

This seems like bias

Vladar had an .880 and was obviously the second best goalie on the ice

Him and Markstrom will split the last two games, hopefully both guys play well

[Wastedyouth]

This team really has a way of making terrible goalies look good.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Vladar picks up points



at this point do we care how?



you know the team folds if markstrom lets in those same two PP goals against to let them tie it



win, stay in

I'd rather give Markstrom Chicago and Vladar Seattle

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

This team really has a way of making terrible goalies look good.

That may be true but Korpisalo is a really good goalie....910 playing behind that hot mess