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[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If you had gone in and said you'd return the tv unless you could give the kid the tip he deserved you'd of been a hero.

Yeah, I didn't think of that at the time, but after some reflection that kinda annoys me as well. I'm not there or wanting to make a big presentation. This really should be a small transaction between me and whomever, not a big show where I could potentially needlessly but someone in a awkward position. Should be simple.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

Yeah, I didn't think of that at the time, but after some reflection that kinda annoys me as well. I'm not there or wanting to make a big presentation. This really should be a small transaction between me and whomever, not a big show where I could potentially needlessly but someone in a awkward position. Should be simple.

Or get the kid fired regardless.

I remember way back when I worked at Home Depot in the Lumber dept, I'd often help people load, and it was made VERY clear to me that if I was caught or seen accepting tips, I would be fired.

I always appreciated the guys who OFFERED me tips, made me feel I was doing a good job, but I never accepted any.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Or get the kid fired regardless.

I remember way back when I worked at Home Depot in the Lumber dept, I'd often help people load, and it was made VERY clear to me that if I was caught or seen accepting tips, I would be fired.

I always appreciated the guys who OFFERED me tips, made me feel I was doing a good job, but I never accepted any.

I think that's probably a good rule because of human nature. It was great of him to offer the kid a tip, and in a perfect world he could take it.

But inevitably what happens is that tipping becomes an expectation, which isn't a great outcome, imo.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think that's probably a good rule because of human nature. It was great of him to offer the kid a tip, and in a perfect world he could take it.

But inevitably what happens is that tipping becomes an expectation, which isn't a great outcome, imo.

I dunno, it's an expectation for everything else these days. Some young kid probably getting minimum wage helps you or 5 or 10 minutes, makes sure your purchase doesn't get damaged loading it, yet a tip is some massive no-no, enough to get you fired because some lawyer or pencil pusher in head office thinks it will ruin the impeccable finely crafted shopping experience of Home Depot? A bellboy gets tips for doing the same thing, and it's pretty much expected. I personally think these policies should be illegal.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I dunno, it's an expectation for everything else these days. Some young kid probably getting minimum wage helps you or 5 or 10 minutes, makes sure your purchase doesn't get damaged loading it, yet a tip is some massive no-no, enough to get you fired because some lawyer or pencil pusher in head office thinks it will ruin the impeccable finely crafted shopping experience of Home Depot? A bellboy gets tips for doing the same thing, and it's pretty much expected. I personally think these policies should be illegal.

I’d rather see tipping made illegal.

[flamingred89]

I went to a local brewery the other day to pick up a flat of beer. I couldn't believe it when the taproom staff flipped the point of sale around and presented me with tipping options. I damn near walked out. Why the #### would I tip after picking out beer from the fridge and paying for it? I can maybe, MAYBE, see the argument if I bought a keg and they helped me out to the car with it. Thankfully cooler heads prevailed and I hit the tiny no tip button and am now enjoying said beer. Still really irked me and is a sign of tipping truly jumping the shark.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

I went to a local brewery the other day to pick up a flat of beer. I couldn't believe it when the taproom staff flipped the point of sale around and presented me with tipping options. I damn near walked out. Why the #### would I tip after picking out beer from the fridge and paying for it? I can maybe, MAYBE, see the argument if I bought a keg and they helped me out to the car with it. Thankfully cooler heads prevailed and I hit the tiny no tip button and am now enjoying said beer. Still really irked me and is a sign of tipping truly jumping the shark.

The tipping prompt comes up everywhere now. Literally everywhere. Is what you described any different than picking up a pizza? Grabbing a bagel? Is it different than a dry cleaning business? What about getting dropped off by a cab, and if so, why? Why do we tip a bar-tender for reaching behind them to grab a beer and hand it to us? Why doesn't the kid at Mcdonalds get a tip if a waitress walks our food to us at a restaurant and gets tipped?

North American tipping culture is stupid. Can't get staff without having people subsidize your wages? Don't care, figure it out yourself. People who contribute to it are encouraging its continued existence.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

I went to a local brewery the other day to pick up a flat of beer. I couldn't believe it when the taproom staff flipped the point of sale around and presented me with tipping options. I damn near walked out. Why the #### would I tip after picking out beer from the fridge and paying for it? I can maybe, MAYBE, see the argument if I bought a keg and they helped me out to the car with it. Thankfully cooler heads prevailed and I hit the tiny no tip button and am now enjoying said beer. Still really irked me and is a sign of tipping truly jumping the shark.

Do they serve at the establishment? If so, it's just the same POS machine as those transactions...

[PepsiFree]

I always think it’s weird when people get upset over POS machines showing a tip option. Just click “No tip” and live your life. How is that 1 second action worth minutes or hours of annoyance?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Why do people go to the orchestra to hack up a lung for two hours? Yes we can all hear you, and yes, you are annoying.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I always think it’s weird when people get upset over POS machines showing a tip option. Just click “No tip” and live your life. How is that 1 second action worth minutes or hours of annoyance?

Some of them have really annoying processes to get by them (many won't let you hit "no tip" they add 3-4 clicks to get through it), but I agree. Ironically, the only time I've ever wanted to tip while picking up was with a young employee at Panago.

I'd been there a few times and their POS is annoying as **** to get through the tipping. I had it down perfectly and had tapped my card within five seconds of being handed the machine. The kid lit up, wide eyed and gave me huge props. "I've never seen anyone get through the tip portion like that, that's seriously awesome, hahaha!!!".

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Why do people go to the orchestra to hack up a lung for two hours? Yes we can all hear you, and yes, you are annoying.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I always think it’s weird when people get upset over POS machines showing a tip option. Just click “No tip” and live your life. How is that 1 second action worth minutes or hours of annoyance?

It’s a social anxiety thing. People tip because they want to confirm to societal expectations. So when there is a tip option where there used to not be one there is a fear of being judged for not tipping and an annoyance of tipping being expanded if they do tip.

The point of the tip line is to create an uncomfortable situation on people to generate more wages for employees so the owners can retain staff without increasing base wage or raising prices.

The intent grinds my gears. I agree you just say no

[Geraldsh]

I had a meal at Smitty’s last night. Their machine offered a yes/no option for tipping right at the beginning. The first choice after yes was 15%, which I selected, although my normal choices are 0 or 10%. In this case the service was excellent and the maître de/manager/owner stopped by to ensure we were all happy. A high class Smitty’s.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

I had a meal at Smitty’s last night. Their machine offered a yes/no option for tipping right at the beginning. The first choice after yes was 15%, which I selected, although my normal choices are 0 or 10%. In this case the service was excellent and the maître de/manager/owner stopped by to ensure we were all happy. A high class Smitty’s.

I get not liking tipping, but it's the culture we live in. You normally tip 0-10%? That's embarrassingly low if you're at a restaurant relying on the service of a waiter or waitress. They need to make more than that on average to earn enough to afford a basic life. I guess I'm picking up your slack. Thanks.

I don't know how we get out of this tipping culture we've boxed ourselves into, but I do know what doesn't work, which is withholding money from 20-year-old young men and women just trying to get by.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Normal choice at a sit down restaurant is 0%. Wtf?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I get not liking tipping, but it's the culture we live in. You normally tip 0-10%? That's embarrassingly low if you're at a restaurant relying on the service of a waiter or waitress. They need to make more than that on average to earn enough to afford a basic life. I guess I'm picking up your slack. Thanks.

I don't know how we get out of this tipping culture we've boxed ourselves into, but I do know what doesn't work, which is withholding money from 20-year-old young men and women just trying to get by.

This isn’t quite true. At bars and upscale restaurants you pull in a crazy amount of money for having no formal education or training. If your goal is to provide a standard of living then you should be tipping at all minimum wage professions. The server and a decent place is making $100- $200 a night in tips after tip out over 4hrs for a $40- $65 an hour wage.

The person working at the till in your grocery store makes $15-$20.

The cooks, especially junior ones in kitchens get screwed for the quality they produce.

(As an aside I tip flat rate with no change for quality of service at 12% an increase to 18 in jurisdictions where minimum wage is below $15 per hour)

[Canadianman]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I get not liking tipping, but it's the culture we live in. You normally tip 0-10%? That's embarrassingly low if you're at a restaurant relying on the service of a waiter or waitress. They need to make more than that on average to earn enough to afford a basic life. I guess I'm picking up your slack. Thanks.

I don't know how we get out of this tipping culture we've boxed ourselves into, but I do know what doesn't work, which is withholding money from 20-year-old young men and women just trying to get by.

Your post is an argument to increase minimum wage, not an argument in favour of tipping.


Tipping should be illegal, it's laughable that I'm expected to pay 15% of my total bill to the person who carried my food the last 20 feet. If I could, I'd tip the temporary foreign worker who harvested the lettuce.


The real solution is to increase minimum wage to be $25/hour.

[Geraldsh]

If the only options presented are 15,20,25 I make the extra effort to enter zero just because. Most often I give 10% but Smitty's went above and beyond and earned a whopping 15%. Very rarely does my behavior embarrass me(can't say the same for the people with me).

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GGG

It’s a social anxiety thing. People tip because they want to confirm to societal expectations. So when there is a tip option where there used to not be one there is a fear of being judged for not tipping and an annoyance of tipping being expanded if they do tip.

The point of the tip line is to create an uncomfortable situation on people to generate more wages for employees so the owners can retain staff without increasing base wage or raising prices.

The intent grinds my gears. I agree you just say no

I guess, but like most low-grade anxieties, if you take the time once to think about it critically and realize “hey, this actually doesn’t matter, nobody will judge me and their opinion doesn’t impact me if they do.” The cure isn’t complaining about the thing, the cure is cutting off the internal thinking process that creates anxiety about it.

You only have to do it once, too. I pick up a pizza and don’t even notice the tip option anymore. The only time i notice is when I already know I want to tip. Otherwise it’s just a screen to clear.