[PGT] Avalanche 4 Flames 1

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by rooster

and Dan Vladar was much better and every ####ing hockey fan that watched the games could see that except the stubborn know it all.

Vladar has played one game against the Oilers and that was this season. And obviously he wasn't much better because Markstrom was nominated for the Vezina.

It was going to take a lot more than changing the goalies. The team played dumb and let the Oilers suck them into playing their game. Had Sutter put Vladar in and the team plays the same and he gets lit up then everyone except maybe Markstrom haters say he jumped the gun and gave the game away.

[dino7c]

You can blame Markstrom for the first Blues game but other than that...team scores one goal for him, I might as well be in net. You aren't gonna beat the Avs 1-0, or any team really.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair try and name the last Flames head coach that worked as a head coach in the NHL again post-Flames. If any fanbase can complain about their head coaches it's the Flames fans as this organization has totally bombed when it comes to finding great head coaches. Take away Darryl Sutter and it's a total graveyard for decades.

Aside from Darryl you would have to go back to the days of Brian Sutter and Pierre Page 20-30 years ago.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can blame Markstrom for the first Blues game but other than that...team scores one goal for him, I might as well be in net. You aren't gonna beat the Avs 1-0, or any team really.

Sure, but playing from behind or with a lead completely changes the dynamic of a game. The team that scores first has a big advantage in dictating how the game goes. Make it a 2 or 3 goal lead, and it is obviously even more of an advantage. Even if in theory, a team should be able to count on scoring 3-4 goals in a game, it's a lot harder to do when you are behind.

Not that I blame only Markstrom for yesterday, but during the season as a whole, he has given up early goals, or easy goals at really bad times. Playing at a deficit has to be physically and mentally draining for the rest of the players. They end up having to work twice as hard playing catch-up.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wish I could just create the line combinations for one game.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Dube
Pelletier - Lindholm - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Lewis - Ruzicka - Phillips

[DeluxeMoustache]

It’s hard to score always for the Flames

Here is a complete list of teams with worse shooting percentage than the Flanes:

Columbus
Anaheim

That is all

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No kidding, people think Phillips is a can't miss prospect despite the entire league not wanting him for free

Pelttier and Zary are right on schedule for their skillsets...will almost certainly be in the NHL next season after some seasoning...maybe even this year.

Would I throw Pelttier in next game? yeah I would...but its not like they are holding back the 2nd coming of Christ here, the guy might be a "Dube" in a few years IMO

Or he might be a "Eberle" We wont know until he gets a chance to play.

[TheScorpion]

I don't understand why people think Pelletier is limited offensively.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

It’s hard to score always for the Flames

Here is a complete list of teams with worse shooting percentage than the Flanes:

Columbus
Anaheim

That is all

Lol not a great sign

shooting like basement teams

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't understand why people think Pelletier is limited offensively.

same

it would take a special player to have cashed in on the limited opportunity he had in 2 games

put him where he is set up for success, on the second line

good things will happen, I'm positive

edit: hey, maybe they'll fall out of the race so much that Phillips and pelletier will get proper looks & make Sutter look like a fool

[dino7c]

I said he might be a Dube...wasn't meant to be a bad thing

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

It’s hard to score always for the Flames

Here is a complete list of teams with worse shooting percentage than the Flanes:

Columbus
Anaheim

That is all

Last season, the Flames were 2nd in the league for first period goals for (Panthers were 1st). I can't find the data for this season, but it feels like we have to be up there, but on the opposite side of the table in 1st period goals against.

If you score early, it takes the pressure off a little. You can make easier low-risk plays, force the other team to open up, and capitalize on their mistakes. It's what the Flames did all season last year when Markstrom was in Vezina form. This year, they are in completely the opposite situation where they are playing more minutes from behind where the other team can focus more in defending.

I think goaltending can have a pretty big influence on how much offense a team produces. If a team has to play from behind because the goalie gives up an early goal, it's like running against the wind. Or if they are too paranoid to take chances because they don't have faith in the goalie to come up big, they are also going to take fewer chances.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Last season, the Flames were 2nd in the league for first period goals for (Panthers were 1st). I can't find the data for this season, but it feels like we have to be up there, but on the opposite side of the table in 1st period goals against.

If you score early, it takes the pressure off a little. You can make easier low-risk plays, force the other team to open up, and capitalize on their mistakes. It's what the Flames did all season last year when Markstrom was in Vezina form. This year, they are in completely the opposite situation where they are playing more minutes from behind where the other team can focus more in defending.

I think goaltending can have a pretty big influence on how much offense a team produces. If a team has to play from behind because the goalie gives up an early goal, it's like running against the wind. Or if they are too paranoid to take chances because they don't have faith in the goalie to come up big, they are also going to take fewer chances.

Aren't they first in first period goals this season? they said as much during the Preds game I thought

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't understand why people think Pelletier is limited offensively.

Likely because of how he was spoken of in his draft year, and a lack of context for just how impressive his AHL performance has been.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Toonage

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=180

I just don’t see it happening. We’re pretty much stuck with Huby

[Mr.Coffee]

All I know is that Tampa is going to score first next game, unless Vladar is in net.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Sure, but playing from behind or with a lead completely changes the dynamic of a game. The team that scores first has a big advantage in dictating how the game goes. Make it a 2 or 3 goal lead, and it is obviously even more of an advantage. Even if in theory, a team should be able to count on scoring 3-4 goals in a game, it's a lot harder to do when you are behind.

Not that I blame only Markstrom for yesterday, but during the season as a whole, he has given up early goals, or easy goals at really bad times. Playing at a deficit has to be physically and mentally draining for the rest of the players. They end up having to work twice as hard playing catch-up.

If playing from behind such an issue for this team then this in itself is a bigger problem than Markstrom. To be a good team you need to be well rounded in both, playing from behind and playing with a lead. You can't win every game and you can't certainly rely on always scoring first in an 82 game season. This team needs to be able to play all situations which I don't think we can.

Just the fact that you think it's such a big uphill battle when we get scored on first is indicative of the way this team is built or the structure that we play.

Remember a few years back when we were "comeback kids"? Get scored on first, or losing the game and the feeling was the game is never over until the buzzer?

I truly don't believe we have a goaltending issue as much as defensive issues and scoring issues. We basically need vezina caliber goaltending to mask our deficiencies in scoring.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

^^Who's Robert?

He's my dad. No jokes. He calls in to the after game show on Fan960 all the time. This board loves his comments

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

If playing from behind such an issue for this team then this in itself is a bigger problem than Markstrom. To be a good team you need to be well rounded in both, playing from behind and playing with a lead. You can't win every game and you can't certainly rely on always scoring first in an 82 game season. This team needs to be able to play all situations which I don't think we can.

Just the fact that you think it's such a big uphill battle when we get scored on first is indicative of the way this team is built or the structure that we play.

Remember a few years back when we were "comeback kids"? Get scored on first, or losing the game and the feeling was the game is never over until the buzzer?

I truly don't believe we have a goaltending issue as much as defensive issues and scoring issues. We basically need vezina caliber goaltending to mask our deficiencies in scoring.

It's a problem every team has. The team that scores first wins 70% of the time. Being able to come back is nice, but it doesn't happen most of the time.

https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/melt...rs/c-302295016

The data set used in the link is older (from 2018), but I would bet it's generally the same every year. That year in particular, no team that scored first had a lower than 0.500 record.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

If playing from behind such an issue for this team then this in itself is a bigger problem than Markstrom. To be a good team you need to be well rounded in both, playing from behind and playing with a lead. You can't win every game and you can't certainly rely on always scoring first in an 82 game season. This team needs to be able to play all situations which I don't think we can.

Just the fact that you think it's such a big uphill battle when we get scored on first is indicative of the way this team is built or the structure that we play.

Remember a few years back when we were "comeback kids"? Get scored on first, or losing the game and the feeling was the game is never over until the buzzer?

I truly don't believe we have a goaltending issue as much as defensive issues and scoring issues. We basically need vezina caliber goaltending to mask our deficiencies in scoring.

The problem with Markstrom right now is that he's pretty bad in 1 goal games.

I posted this in the Markstrom thread but his splits are not good.

He has an .885 save percentage and -11.64 GSAA when the game is within 1 goal - horrendous.

Vladar has a .917 and is +4.15 GSAA in the same situation where the game is within 1 goal.

That's the issue right now. When the game is tight we can't get a save and are getting just horrendous goaltending.

Tied- 0.891

Leading by 1 - 0.869
Leading by 2+ : 0.880

Trailing by 1: 0.891
Trailing by 2+: 0.964

He's not making the saves when the game is close, and really only picks it up once we are already down by 2.

Last night is a great example.