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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It just means that other organizations do a better job at hiring and evaluating coaches. Bruins seem to go from good coach to good coach. Same with Vegas.

Possible.

But more probable that the Flames don't get the same looks that a storied, dominant original six team from the best sports town on Earth get.

[Paulie Walnuts]

60 points and 30 goals is still a very good season for a 2nd line C.

He still has to hit those numbers but if he does its a good season and what you expect from him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

We lost two "elite" players and gained a skilled passer in Huberdeau, a defenseman who is playing good defence and a guy who is having a great season under Sutter in Kadri.

Are you suggesting they change the style of play to match Huberdeaus style only? It seems the rest of the team isn't set up to play that way like it or not. I don't think this team has the offensive talent to open it up and play that way. Especially when they have a struggling starter and an unproven back up.

So Huberdeau isn't elite he is a skilled passer? This is the same guy who has been the most consistent of the elite players mentioned in the previous 5 seasons.

The team has a bunch of players who would benefit from playing a more open style not just Huberdeau.

Did Tampa staple Coleman and Goodrow on Kucherovs line? Did they have Brayden Point playing with Hagel?

Is Mackinnon playing with Mcdermitt or whatever his name is?

Do you a see difference in the speed when you play Colorado and how they move up the ice? You don't need the fastest players in the NHL to play fast and quick and we saw that last season.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So Huberdeau isn't elite he is a skilled passer? This is the same guy who has been the most consistent of the elite players mentioned in the previous 5 seasons.

The team has a bunch of players who would benefit from playing a more open style not just Huberdeau.

Did Tampa staple Coleman and Goodrow on Kucherovs line? Did they have Brayden Point playing with Hagel?

Is Mackinnon playing with Mcdermitt or whatever his name is?

Do you a see difference in the speed when you play Colorado and how they move up the ice? You don't need the fastest players in the NHL to play fast and quick and we saw that last season.

Sounds like you just have a problem with Lucic on that line then. Fair enough. Don't think it's going to last long. They were already broken up last night in the third. I won that bet with you by the way when you said Lucic would never be off that line.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Kadri is having a good year

At the same time he is proving last year was an outliner.

Yeah, he is one of the more determined and creative players on the team. I'd hate the think of where this team would be if we didn't sign him.

I think everyone was prepared for a regression to the mean for his production, so it isn't really disappointing to see it.

[Manhattanboy]

Love Looch but if a loss to a conference rival fighting with us for playoffs means he never sees anything but the 4th line again I will gladly take it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Sounds like you just have a problem with Lucic on that line then. Fair enough. Don't think it's going to last long. They were already broken up last night in the third. I won that bet with you by the way when you said Lucic would never be off that line.

If Lucic is off that line in tomorrows skate and Saturday game you can send me a picture of him and he can be my avatar for the rest of the season.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I agree with this 100% and was just making a joke.

At the same time, we finally have a coach who isn't a Gully or a Ward and people want to run him out of town after half a mediocre season. I even read a certain poster try to write off his teams good seasons (including two cups) as flukes.

They lost two offensive superstars in the offseason and the Vezina caliber goalie is playing with the yips. We don't have a Mackinnon or a McDavid or a Stamkos. We have a Huberdeau who was just traded and a Lindholm. If this team is going to win it will have to be tight games where they don't give up much. I don't think opening things up will give this team much success when the goalie is playing poor and we don't have the offensive horsepower of other teams.

It is a lot more then half a mediocre season. The playoff loss to the Oilers is 100% Daryl Sutters fault. Markstrom was #### in the series and regular season against that team and Dan Vladar was much better and every ####ing hockey fan that watched the games could see that except the stubborn know it all. Without Kopitar Sutter would not have 2 cups in LA. Phillips leading in the AHL get 18 minutes in 2 games but the unknown plumber Duehr gets game after game after game just because he is over 6 feet tall. It's Sutters job to make the best adjustments but he didn't in the playoffs and has continued on with many garbage decisions this season. Unless he is playing possum and pulls a rabbit out of a hat this season is going to be another disappointment. the Flames should put Robert behind the bench so the players could see somebody who gives a ####. He would probably do it for free.

[Manhattanboy]

^^Who's Robert?

[dino7c]

Without "X" player so and so wouldn't have any cups is a pretty stupid statement.

Like what coach won a cup with bad players lol

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If Lucic is off that line in tomorrows skate and Saturday game you can send me a picture of him and he can be my avatar for the rest of the season.

Hahaha sounds good. Now I have to try to find a good picture.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If Tkachuk and Gaudreau can get 100+ points with the Flames, so can Huberdeau. I don’t see why the player can’t have accountability for that. Blaming the coach? Really?

Kadri is almost on pace for a career high in goals, and on pace for his second best season in points. What’s the point of Huberdeau accumulating stats with a style of play that isn’t conducive to winning tough games?

True, when you look at the players Sutter has coached, there are several good skilled players who had career years under Sutter. I guess one could argue that many of those players were at their peak and would have had career years with any coach, but I don't think he holds players back from being creative offensively. They just need to focus on other areas too, and some players can't seem to chew bubblegum and walk at the same time. With Huberdeau, it might be a case of not being able to teach old dogs new tricks.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

^^Who's Robert?

Robert that calls Pat on the post game call in show. He bleeds flames red!!!

[rooster]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Without "X" player so and so wouldn't have any cups is a pretty stupid statement.

Like what coach won a cup with bad players lol

You need a stud leader and Kopitar was one probably the best on those LA teams those 2 years. Flames don't have that guy. The point was that Sutter isn't some miracle coach like many say when the team is winning.

[SuperMatt18]

I wish I could just create the line combinations for one game.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Dube
Pelletier - Lindholm - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Lewis - Ruzicka - Phillips

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wish I could just create the line combinations for one game.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Dube
Pelletier - Lindholm - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Lewis - Ruzicka - Phillips

I think that the best idea would be to play this lineup about half the time, and rotate in Lucic, Ritchie and Zohorna (I actually like Z in that spot instead of Ruzicka), so that the rookies arn't overwhelmed.

The first line you put up looks like such a no-brainer, but I understand the desire to have more established players with Lindholm.

I don't think that it's about Sutter not liking young or small players, so much as Lucic, Lewis and Ritchie are his Mary Sue's.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by rooster

You need a stud leader and Kopitar was one probably the best on those LA teams those 2 years. Flames don't have that guy. The point was that Sutter isn't some miracle coach like many say when the team is winning.

fine but to try and discredit his cups is silly...better rosters have won #### all, like the Kings before and after he was there.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The Flames aren't firing Sutter, but knowing Huberdeau's agent I suspect we'll see tweets suggesting his client wants out after the season.

We cannot fire Sutter, imagine the lineup of teams that would want to hire him if we did.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

We cannot fire Sutter, imagine the lineup of teams that would want to hire him if we did.

He said he'd only coach for Calgary or Chicago.

Would be funny if he ended up in Chicago, they draft Bedard and Sutter won't play him.


OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD PLAY HIM, PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPONS CP

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

He said he'd only coach for Calgary or Chicago.

Would be funny if he ended up in Chicago, they draft Bedard and Sutter won't play him.


OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD PLAY HIM, PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPONS CP

No kidding, people think Phillips is a can't miss prospect despite the entire league not wanting him for free

Pelttier and Zary are right on schedule for their skillsets...will almost certainly be in the NHL next season after some seasoning...maybe even this year.

Would I throw Pelttier in next game? yeah I would...but its not like they are holding back the 2nd coming of Christ here, the guy might be a "Dube" in a few years IMO