Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I'd argue it has mostly been Maurice and goaltending, not the roster. Maurice has killed the teams offensive ability and confidence and while the defense hasn't been good it's not notably worse compared to last year. Goaltending has been garbage. But mostly it's Maurice, pretty much everyone on that team is underperforming under him (except Tkachuk who has more than replaced Huberdeau).

Is it because Tkachuk, coming from Calgary, didn't have to completely adjust his style to play a 200 ft game within Maurice's system?

Everyone else who played in Florida under Brunette last year has seemingly regressed this year (including Huberdeau if you want to include him as someone who had to learn a new system that put more emphasis around checking and defensive responsibility). You could also make a case for Weegar.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I'd argue it has mostly been Maurice and goaltending, not the roster. Maurice has killed the teams offensive ability and confidence and while the defense hasn't been good it's not notably worse compared to last year. Goaltending has been garbage. But mostly it's Maurice, pretty much everyone on that team is underperforming under him (except Tkachuk who has more than replaced Huberdeau).

I mean, you don't get to be the NHL's all-time losingest coach without... well... not being a good coach.

Spoiler!

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Is it because Tkachuk, coming from Calgary, didn't have to completely adjust his style to play a 200 ft game within Maurice's system?

Could be so and that would be fine if they would be better defensively to compensate. But they're not, and since december they have been bad at everything. Maybe they need more time but the team doesn't seem to have an identity right now. Way to go, Maurice. Just like in Winnipeg

[timun]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I would say you’re viewing the power forwards of yesteryear through the lens of nostalgia and yearning for the good old days.

Tkachuk is better than all but Shanahan and Iginla on that list of players you mentioned.

I mean... Tom Wilson, Wayne Simmonds and Milan Lucic? Lol, yeah, sure, but that's not a high bar.

Cam Neely, Rick Tocchet, John LeClair, Old Man Tkachuk...?

Spoiler!

He's in the conversation, but he ain't better than them. (Or Kevin Stevens, for that matter.) Maybe if he keeps his current level of play up for a few more years.

[activeStick]

Was looking at Johnny's stats so far and saw that he's still chugging along despite pretty meh linemates and he's currently scoring at a PPG pace. That's pretty good actually.

[Flamesfan05]

Tocchet and Kevin Stevens were not in the same class with M Tkachuk

Takchuk may have bạck to back 100 pt before he is 26

When he is done, he may have better numbers than Neely and leclair as well, injures or not

Dude is no longer a Flames but he is legit

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Tocchet and Kevin Stevens were not in the same class with M Tkachuk

Takchuk may have bạck to back 100 pt before he is 26

When he is done, he may have better numbers than Neely and leclair as well, injures or not

Dude is no longer a Flames but he is Regular Season legit

Fixed!

Man just thinking back to our playoffs with him in there. InvisiThornton to a tee.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Did the definition of powers forward change? Powerful forwards usually leave a mark in the playoffs Tkachuk has yet to show up.

[jayswin]

It definitely has changed, but that's mostly because the game itself has changed. You're not going to see Iginla type players, that play every aspect of a bruising grinders game, and also score with the best in the league, anymore.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Was looking at Johnny's stats so far and saw that he's still chugging along despite pretty meh linemates and he's currently scoring at a PPG pace. That's pretty good actually.

Not sure 82 points and -60 is all that good...he has basically abandoned all defensive responsibility

Might not be a popular opinion around here

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not sure 82 points and -60 is all that good...he has basically abandoned all defensive responsibility

Might not be a popular opinion around here

What did Sutter say before. Players can play for goals and assists, or they can play to win? Something like that. But if the Jackets are that bad he might as well try to put on a show for the fans.

[jeffman]

I don’t really consider Tkachuk a power forward. Power forwards are usually the players that carry an offensive line with them and are usually pretty quick. I would say Alex tuch, tags Thompson are more power forwards. Tkachuk is more an agitator like Claude Lemieux brad Marchand etc

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

What did Sutter say before. Players can play for goals and assists, or they can play to win? Something like that. But if the Jackets are that bad he might as well try to put on a show for the fans.

Problem is he will be worse offensively and defensively

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613188646206676992

[Shazam]

Bold prediction: JG will be bought out in year 3.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I'd argue it has mostly been Maurice and goaltending, not the roster. Maurice has killed the teams offensive ability and confidence and while the defense hasn't been good it's not notably worse compared to last year. Goaltending has been garbage. But mostly it's Maurice, pretty much everyone on that team is underperforming under him (except Tkachuk who has more than replaced Huberdeau).

Tkachuk hasn't more than replaced last year Panther Huberdeau...as good as he has been he isn't 2nd in league scoring and unlikely he gets to 115 points.

It's not that surprising they are poor, even if that is a wash they lose Weegar and others mentioned. Seemed obvious they would be way worse.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Bold prediction: JG will be bought out in year 3.

That is beyond bold.
He's an elite player and still will be for many years. His team sucks, but there's zero reason they would buy out their best player.
Especially since they'll have such a poor roster around him that they shouldn't have any cap troubles.

[dino7c]

We as Flames fans know better than anyone...Gaudreau is as talented as anyone but he needs to put in the work and sometimes he doesn't

on and off the ice

[Strange Brew]

We, as Flames fans, absolutely don’t know the work he puts in off the ice.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

We, as Flames fans, absolutely don’t know the work he puts in off the ice.

I know he eats like garbage...or at least has in the past.

not sure how old you are but that kinda stuff catches up to you as you get into your 30s