Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Nufy]

Sounds a lot like the TAGS program in the early 90's in newfoundland.

The govt offered paid training for fishermen to transition away from the industry.

Great for younger people who can move into trades and technology.

But getting my uncle, with the grade 8 education who has been fishing since the 60's because he had to help out the family, to become an IT help desk agent is just an imbecilic move...

The idea may be good...but the implementation will be a disaster.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Sounds a lot like the TAGS program in the early 90's in newfoundland.

The govt offered paid training for fishermen to transition away from the industry.

Great for younger people who can move into trades and technology.

But getting my uncle, with the grade 8 education who has been fishing since the 60's because he had to help out the family, to become an IT help desk agent is just an imbecilic move...

The idea may be good...but the implementation will be a disaster.

We have loads of office workers with transferable skills. No, I'm sure they aren't considering training roughnecks to run databases, but there will be jobs in drilling, like geothermal, lithium, helium etc...along with construction for facilities like carbon capture and storage, solar farms, windmills, CO2 pipelines...

I really don't get this attitude of everyone jumping to failure as the first result.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We have loads of office workers with transferable skills. No, I'm sure they aren't considering training roughnecks to run databases, but there will be jobs in drilling, like geothermal, lithium, helium etc...along with construction for facilities like carbon capture and storage, solar farms, windmills, CO2 pipelines...

I really don't get this attitude of everyone jumping to failure as the first result.

Previous experience.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by stone hands

U keep posting this as if canada has any say whatsoever in what other countries do or consume (and who they get the products from), and can control anything except for what happens inside canada. That's great that china sucks, but we dont live there, so who cares what they're doing. You can only control your own actions, no matter how trivial they might seem compared to things you have no control over

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/statu...Id-Q8l1gBGDZ-Q

Just wanted to post a direct rebuttal to this earlier quote that yes, Canada can have an impact on what other countries do, and could be in a position to be signing long term LNG projects if we were able to get these projects going. So yes, we should care what other countries are doing and do have an ability to impact them.

(Apologies, I'm not sure how to make the Twitter post show directly in the post)

[TheIronMaiden]

It is the governments job to manage the commons.
You may disagree that child care, health care, national dense, education ect... are commons.

That said, the environment, water, air are fundamental commons that should transcend politics. There needs to be something regulating them, individuals and corporations ( private interest) have done a miserable job historically. We can debate what measures should be taken, but government is best suited for this job.

[ThePrince]

EDIT: Don't think it was relevant.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/statu...Id-Q8l1gBGDZ-Q

Just wanted to post a direct rebuttal to this earlier quote that yes, Canada can have an impact on what other countries do, and could be in a position to be signing long term LNG projects if we were able to get these projects going. So yes, we should care what other countries are doing and do have an ability to impact them.

(Apologies, I'm not sure how to make the Twitter post show directly in the post)

Maybe I'm not reading that right but it looks like you're using an example of a japanese company buying an overseas firm, so are you suggesting that for example, enbridge buy out an energy company in say, germany, and ship them gas that way?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610411016529276928

Noticeably absent from the tables is Alberta — the province with the most emissions. Wilkinson says he hopes this year to bring it and another holdout, Saskatchewan, to the talks. Both provinces have expressed ongoing concerns about the federal government's environmental policies which they say encroach on their constitutional jurisdiction over natural resources.

If Savage and the UCP care so deeply about how this will impact Albertans one has to wonder why our province isn’t participating in the meetings.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Maybe I'm not reading that right but it looks like you're using an example of a japanese company buying an overseas firm, so are you suggesting that for example, enbridge buy out an energy company in say, germany, and ship them gas that way?

Mostly pointing to the line "The gov is encouraging local companies to invest in more gas production and to sign more LNG long-term contracts"

The implication here is that Japan is signing long-term contracts to secure LNG imports in the future. Therefore, if Canada was further in its LNG development, they would be able to supply Japan with their LNG desires, which was meant as a direct counter to your point that Canada has no say in what other countries do or consume and has no control over anything except what happens in Canada.

I don't disagree that Canada can't tell Japan what to consume, but if Japan is looking for it, we are doing Canadians a disservice by not doing what we should be perfectly capable of doing. We absolutely have an impact on what happens outside of Canada.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

If Savage and the UCP care so deeply about how this will impact Albertans one has to wonder why our province isn’t participating in the meetings.

That quote is taking about the grid decarbonization rather than the job retraining program that Savage is complaining about.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by GGG

The Feds are just handing out money for decarbonization rod the power grid right now and Alberta and Sask haven’t even sat down at the table because they are squabbling over federal jurisdiction on environmental regulation. How we aren’t campaigning the Feds to build nukes in Alberta and Sask where we lack the hydro resources is beyond me.



At least Quebec knows threatening sovereignty is about extracting concessions not about sovereignty.

This is nuts. These roundtables are a huge deal and Alberta isn't even participating. FFS.

[peter12]

The reason we are so far behind in infrastructure isn't because of a lack of money, it's because we have a byzantine and sclerotic permitting system that tacks on years - sometimes decades - onto a project.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

This Just Transition legislation is political fluff costing tax payers billions of dollars. An example from the position paper;

"Canada is investing $4.4 billion to help more than 200,000 Canadians make their homes greener and more affordable by lowering energy bills"

Sounds Jim Dandy. That works out to $22,000 for a lucky 200,000 people. There's over 14 million homes in Canada. I mean how does the government, how would anyone, calculate that spending $22,000 on 1% of the homes in Canada make any kind of difference. Just big numbers thrown out to make the electorate ooooo and ahhhh.

Here's the position paper;

https://www.rncanengagenrcan.ca/site..._-_july_15.pdf

It's fluff with big numbers and no basis. I get it, it's a position paper, but if you're going to throw out billions of dollars in estimates you should have a basis for that. That's a non-partisan rant against all politicians.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

This is nuts. These roundtables are a huge deal and Alberta isn't even participating. FFS.

Especially when Sask is the largest uranium producers in the world.

Right wing gov'ts are so out of touch.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GGG

That quote is taking about the grid decarbonization rather than the job retraining program that Savage is complaining about.

Grid de-carbonization impacts jobs, no?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by peter12

This is nuts. These roundtables are a huge deal and Alberta isn't even participating. FFS.

As the old saying goes, if you don’t have a seat at the table you’re probably on the menu.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We have loads of office workers with transferable skills. No, I'm sure they aren't considering training roughnecks to run databases, but there will be jobs in drilling, like geothermal, lithium, helium etc...along with construction for facilities like carbon capture and storage, solar farms, windmills, CO2 pipelines...

I really don't get this attitude of everyone jumping to failure as the first result.

You are right there will be lots of jobs available as we transition into the new energy economy and we should work on transitioning workers, but why anyone would trust the federal government to successfully do anything other than waste billions and still have nothing to show for is beyond me.

Work like that is successfully down as close to the source as possible.
If you want to transition workers, fund it on the local level and remove the feds from having any say so.

In fact don't fund it. The provinces should fight it out. War of attrition. People have always moved to where the work is.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

You are right there will be lots of jobs available as we transition into the new energy economy and we should work on transitioning workers, but why anyone would trust the federal government to successfully do anything other than waste billions and still have nothing to show for is beyond me.

Work like that is successfully down as close to the source as possible.
If you want to transition workers, fund it on the local level and remove the feds from having any say so.

In fact don't fund it. The provinces should fight it out. War of attrition. People have always moved to where the work is.

That's the spirit!

Sigh. Can we be a country again please?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

This Just Transition legislation is political fluff costing tax payers billions of dollars. An example from the position paper;

"Canada is investing $4.4 billion to help more than 200,000 Canadians make their homes greener and more affordable by lowering energy bills"

Sounds Jim Dandy. That works out to $22,000 for a lucky 200,000 people. There's over 14 million homes in Canada. I mean how does the government, how would anyone, calculate that spending $22,000 on 1% of the homes in Canada make any kind of difference. Just big numbers thrown out to make the electorate ooooo and ahhhh.

Here's the position paper;

https://www.rncanengagenrcan.ca/site..._-_july_15.pdf

It's fluff with big numbers and no basis. I get it, it's a position paper, but if you're going to throw out billions of dollars in estimates you should have a basis for that. That's a non-partisan rant against all politicians.

Without reading the link.

One would think that a program for heat pumps + electric / gas backup would be a worthy cause for the feds to fund?

Like 100% reimburse every single home / business owner that installs one.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's the spirit!

Sigh. Can we be a country again please?

I agree with him somewhat. It’s time the individual provinces (outside of Alberta) consider how competitive they are for top-level workers, firms and investment.

I’m not against federal funding but too often it has the impact of increasing inter-provincial bickering.