Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

Your policy relies on corporations not being greedy and competition working. So if it is just an ‘excuse’ to raise prices and not a reason to raise prices then we would just see the “excuse” change to labour cost, tax, or real estate.

So either the savings would be marginal if businesses chose to pass through the savings due to competition or they would be 0. If as you state carbon taxes are just an excuse.

Instead if you want to deal with cost of living pressures target policies at those in need and increase taxation on those with excess.

When you are dealing with an oligopoly, there is no true competition, and therefore the market cannot correct the greed.

Canada has this problem in a big way. It is also something our government has been complicit in creating.

It is also becoming very clear that the unforeseen consequences of implementing the carbon tax in the middle of a pandemic / economic meltdown is resulting in the cost of living becoming far higher than expected. It is obviously not the sole reason for costs going up, but it is PART of the reason, and it is something the government has control over.

While I agree with taxing carbon at the most original source, I do not agree with taxing it further down on the consumer side, especially when dealing with an already hurting consumer base. You can spin it anyway you want, but with every other cost being passed onto the consumer because of the situation the past few years, not trying to find ways to alleviate the carbon tax on more essential need items is extremely stupid.

At this point one has to be pretty delusional to think that implementing a carbon tax on food production in Canada will do ANYTHING to emission levels worldwide.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by peter12

The carbon tax is good because it is essentially making oil and gas companies and consumers pay for the massive externalities of pumping carbon in the atmosphere. I know a lot of people on CP don't think that's a big deal, but actually global warming is bad and we should be disincentivised from contributing to it.

Please.

The carbon tax in Canada is meaningless in terms of worldwide carbon emissions.

If we want to 'lower' emissions, we'd be better off switching the entire world from coal to natural gas.

But since we went ahead of missed that boat and the world is going to burn more coal and create more emissions from coal in 2023 than it has in the past decade, we'll instead implement a useless tax on the consumer and tell everyone how it is for THEIR GOOD.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Azure

Please.

The carbon tax in Canada is meaningless in terms of worldwide carbon emissions.

If we want to 'lower' emissions, we'd be better off switching the entire world from coal to natural gas.

But since we went ahead of missed that boat and the world is going to burn more coal and create more emissions from coal in 2023 than it has in the past decade, we'll instead implement a useless tax on the consumer and tell everyone how it is for THEIR GOOD.

Natural gas as the transition product is such a load of industry BS.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Azure

Please.

The carbon tax in Canada is meaningless in terms of worldwide carbon emissions.

If we want to 'lower' emissions, we'd be better off switching the entire world from coal to natural gas.

But since we went ahead of missed that boat and the world is going to burn more coal and create more emissions from coal in 2023 than it has in the past decade, we'll instead implement a useless tax on the consumer and tell everyone how it is for THEIR GOOD.

U keep posting this as if canada has any say whatsoever in what other countries do or consume (and who they get the products from), and can control anything except for what happens inside canada. That's great that china sucks, but we dont live there, so who cares what they're doing. You can only control your own actions, no matter how trivial they might seem compared to things you have no control over

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Locke

Just a heads up, I posted this in my power ring thread, but I'll post it here where it might get more attention.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...-now-open.html

Applications can be made on your CRA MyAccount.

I wonder if this will lead to CRA finding out who received tax revenue but doesn’t claim it…

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

In b4 "but China".

Originally Posted by Azure

Please.

The carbon tax in Canada is meaningless in terms of worldwide carbon emissions.

If we want to 'lower' emissions, we'd be better off switching the entire world from coal to natural gas.

But since we went ahead of missed that boat and the world is going to burn more coal and create more emissions from coal in 2023 than it has in the past decade, we'll instead implement a useless tax on the consumer and tell everyone how it is for THEIR GOOD.

Almost missed getting in there, only made it by 3 posts!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calculoso

I wonder if this will lead to CRA finding out who received tax revenue but doesn’t claim it…

Actually this one is supposed to be Tax Exempt.

Its just $500 free bucks...you dont have to claim it on your taxes.

Granted, they may change their minds about that later on.

I dont think this is a "You've won a free boat...come to the Police Station to collect!" type of scenario.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Locke

Actually this one is supposed to be Tax Exempt.

Its just $500 free bucks...you dont have to claim it on your taxes.

Granted, they may change their minds about that later on.

I dont think this is a "You've won a free boat...come to the Police Station to collect!" type of scenario.

Ugh, the cops that run that are such idiots. No matter how many times I explained that I could sell the boat to pay off my parking tickets, they just couldn't understand me.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Ugh, the cops that run that are such idiots. No matter how many times I explained that I could sell the boat to pay off my parking tickets, they just couldn't understand me.

All Cops Aren't Boaters!

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Locke

Actually this one is supposed to be Tax Exempt.

Its just $500 free bucks...you dont have to claim it on your taxes.

Granted, they may change their minds about that later on.

I dont think this is a "You've won a free boat...come to the Police Station to collect!" type of scenario.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear in what I said.

As far as I know, a landlord has to claim rental income on their income tax, for example if they rent a room. The renter also gets to claim the rent they paid on their taxes.

I just wonder how many landlords don’t claim the income, and this might expose them. I guess this would already be done if the renter claimed the rent already

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1603117233797939200

Entire House of Commons laughs out loud when Mr.Sign’s says “When I’m prime minister”. He had to restart speech three times.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

When you are dealing with an oligopoly, there is no true competition, and therefore the market cannot correct the greed.

Canada has this problem in a big way. It is also something our government has been complicit in creating.

It is also becoming very clear that the unforeseen consequences of implementing the carbon tax in the middle of a pandemic / economic meltdown is resulting in the cost of living becoming far higher than expected. It is obviously not the sole reason for costs going up, but it is PART of the reason, and it is something the government has control over.

While I agree with taxing carbon at the most original source, I do not agree with taxing it further down on the consumer side, especially when dealing with an already hurting consumer base. You can spin it anyway you want, but with every other cost being passed onto the consumer because of the situation the past few years, not trying to find ways to alleviate the carbon tax on more essential need items is extremely stupid.

At this point one has to be pretty delusional to think that implementing a carbon tax on food production in Canada will do ANYTHING to emission levels worldwide.

But we already went through why the carbon tax increase in the last two years isn’t really contributing to the lack of affordability or inflation in any significant way no matter how you account for it. You aren’t even arguing the economic drag here, it appears you are talking about direct and indirect costs which tend to be close to a wash or a positive for lower income people.

You have stated that cutting the tax will not cause the oligopoly to reduce prices.

Yet your conclusion is that one method of reducing the impacts of inflation is to get rid of the Carbon tax. I don’t follow your logic here.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1603117233797939200

Entire House of Commons laughs out loud when Mr.Sign’s says “When I’m prime minister”. He had to restart speech three times.

Similar to when you post here I guess

[CaptainCrunch]

I wish that someone would have the balls to create tougher ethical violation/conflict of interest rules. But no one has the guts or desire to do it because it would cut off the honey pot.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trad...ules-1.6192820

MP's and Ministers do it because its worth getting caught, they don't get fired, they don't lose their entitlements, the fine if there is one is a joke. Why wouldn't you enrich yourself and your friends while in government?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by peter12

Natural gas as the transition product is such a load of industry BS.

How many countries that shutdown their nuclear plants and limited their access to gas are now burning more coal?

Like it is literally right in front of you.

No natural gas = more coal.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Azure

How many countries that shutdown their nuclear plants and limited their access to gas are now burning more coal?

Like it is literally right in front of you.

No natural gas = more coal.

I can't speak for the country as a whole, but that isn't the case in Nova Scotia.

Nova Scotia has one natural gas power plant located in Dartmouth (if you remember the CBC show Theadore Tugboat, the power plant in the show was based on it as it's located on Halifax harbour).

Meanwhile coal is being reduced. The province's largest power station which once accounted for 1/3 of all power generated in the province only has 2 of the 4 turbines operating full time with 2 running seasonally, one was scheduled to be decommissioned now-ish.

Renewable power is expected to provide 80% of the province's power by 2030.

So no natural gas doesn't mean more coal. At least not here.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by peter12

Natural gas as the transition product is such a load of industry BS.

How is it BS? Have you taken a look at US emissions over the last 15 years?

I’d really like to understand why it’s BS and what you think a better solution is.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I can't speak for the country as a whole, but that isn't the case in Nova Scotia.

Nova Scotia has one natural gas power plant located in Dartmouth (if you remember the CBC show Theadore Tugboat, the power plant in the show was based on it as it's located on Halifax harbour).

Meanwhile coal is being reduced. The province's largest power station which once accounted for 1/3 of all power generated in the province only has 2 of the 4 turbines operating full time with 2 running seasonally, one was scheduled to be decommissioned now-ish.

Renewable power is expected to provide 80% of the province's power by 2030.

So no natural gas doesn't mean more coal. At least not here.

I'm curious what type of renewable? Do they have lots of hydro? Otherwise do they have contingency plans for winter/no wind times?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm curious what type of renewable? Do they have lots of hydro? Otherwise do they have contingency plans for winter/no wind times?

Fair question, I would assume it's the Maritime Link with Churchill Falls in Labrador.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1603225945485312000

JT speaking at in person liberal Xmas party.