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[Paulie Walnuts]

I agree with Sutter we didn't pay Mangiapane 5.6 million to fall down every shift it's time he starts scoring or we are in trouble. Huberdeau is a playmaker Lucic provided some pop for a fee game's but it's time to end the Lucic in the topic 6 and give that line a proper finisher.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Swap Lucic and Ruzichka at the very least. But I think all the lines need re-evaluating.

they need a different ingredient injected there to provide a different look .. the top 9 is just missing something and its not something already on the nhl roster

hence phillips/pelletier/zary

got to look at internal options before surveying trades

they refuse to, except on the 4th line

will probably continue to suffer the same fate against better teams until they start exploring solutions from the farm or a trade

without mangi at his 35 goal production this team doesn't possess adequate finish as it is

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

okay, guess I was looking at 5 on 5

Heelebuck can have the slight edge, he did win...its just not the story some are trying to make it. Kadri hits the inside of the post, he was a little lucky too. Zadorov goal wasn't exactly great either.

The story is definitely that the Flames have no clutch goal scoring.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Swap Lucic and Ruzichka at the very least. But I think all the lines need re-evaluating.

I don't agree with the bold

Dube - Lindholm - Toffoli has been good

Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman has been very good

Huberdeau and Kadri are building chemistry - just put a winger on the right side who can help them out a bit

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yep. This is what the story tonight should be. PP, 5 on 5, whatever. Some of the skilled guys need to score when it matters.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610490685077028864

It drives me nuts that he says this while he has a former hot handed Ruzicka on the 4th and last years 30 goal scorer Mangiapane on the 3rd. While Lucic is stapled to the second line. Ive said it prior and I will say it again, he is a HOF coach, and with the right ingredients I believe he is still relevant in this league. However his coaching style is not in line with this current roster. We need a change behind the bench or we are just wasting the season away.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

if Sutter wants finish maybe he should do his part and try structuring his top 6 more appropriately

that probably includes either promoting ruzicka there or playing one of the top scorers from the farm

not sure he's up to doing what it will take as coach though

Ruzicka made the kiss of death mistake of having a bad game or two while being young. With Sutter as coach he now needs to climb Everest to get back into the top 6.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't agree with the bold

Dube - Lindholm - Toffoli has been good

Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman has been very good

Huberdeau and Kadri are building chemistry - just put a winger on the right side who can help them out a bit

again, I strongly believe phillips would thrive there

it is his natural position to boot

damn Sutter and his size discrimination

[TheScorpion]

You can't play your best scorers with your worst scorer against good teams and then act surprised when your best scorers stop scoring.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Im not going to blame this game on Markstrom. But its tough to deny that the team scores far less in front of him than they do playing in front of Vladar for whatever reason. And that includes two of our highest scoring games which actually were in front of Markstrom.

By my napkin math counting up GF and GA per game each goalie started:

Markstrom:

GF AVG: 2.88
GA AVG: 2.74


Vladar
GF AVG: 3.38
GA AVG: 2.76

Did you consider that Vladar plays weaker teams?

[tvp2003]

Some insight from former Flames goalie coach, David Marcoux:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610484463271804928

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Agreed on the Lucic thing. He shouldn't be in that spot full time. They need a solution sooner or later.

It worked for a bit so no problem with him putting it together but it’s one of those things were after a few cold games you need to be proactive and put a different winger on that line. I hope he changes up that line for the next game rather than being stubborn about it.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

The story is definitely that the Flames have no clutch goal scoring.

100% agreed with this. The team looks very solid, they play the game right and they play well. But ultimately we are barely a playoff team with our offensive "threat" right now. You upgrade that before the deadline and we might start looking like a contender.

But as of right now, goaltending was the difference in one goal games earlier, now goaltending is excellent but we're short minimum one game breaking scorer.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It worked for a bit so no problem with him putting it together but it’s one of those things were after a few cold games you need to be proactive and put a different winger on that line. I hope he changes up that line for the next game rather than being stubborn about it.

I wouldn't consider "a few cold games" being proactive.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Would be a difference maker if Eat Bread could get going, or if the PP came up big once in a while. Feels like just one goal at times would get the Flames going on a big streak.

Good game, both goalies were great, a good effort on the road. Just needed that 3rd goal before the Jets got it. Onto the next one.

Mangiapane falling off a cliff has left a big void. Majority of the other forwards are filling their role now.

Eat bread needs to get going somehow

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Did you consider that Vladar plays weaker teams?

Look for yourself, seems to me Vladar would have the slight edge on better teams. Markstroms stats also include the back to back 5 and 7 goals versus the horribad Sharks.


Edit-

Markstroms started versus 11 teams currently in a playoff spot. 16 games against teams not in one.

Vladar started versus 10 teams in playoffs and 2 not in.

So its not even close that Vladar gets the tougher competition.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I wouldn't consider "a few cold games" being proactive.

Well we all know he loves Lucic and the guy is going to get more rope than some other players so the experiment was always going to have longer legs than it should have.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by jayswin

100% agreed with this. The team looks very solid, they play the game right and they play well. But ultimately we are barely a playoff team with our offensive "threat" right now. You upgrade that before the deadline and we might start looking like a contender.

But as of right now, goaltending was the difference in one goal games earlier, now goaltending is excellent but we're short minimum one game breaking scorer.

What game breaking scorer is going to come and ignite the offensive game? I don't see one coming cheap and it's not worth it to gut the picks and prospect pool of we are battling for 8th place.

The scoring has to come from within and Sutter not playing pluggers in the top 6. It was inevitable that Lucic was going to cool down and he should have been proactive.

[DoubleK]

Did Zahorna actually play? I don't remember seeing him on the ice much.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well we all know he loves Lucic and the guy is going to get more rope than some other players so the experiment was always going to have longer legs than it should have.

Speaking of legs, Lucic has the slowing moving ones in the league.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What game breaking scorer is going to come and ignite the offensive game? I don't see one coming cheap and it's not worth it to gut the picks and prospect pool of we are battling for 8th place.

The scoring has to come from within and Sutter not playing pluggers in the top 6. It was inevitable that Lucic was going to cool down and he should have been proactive.

My vote? Sutter clearly won't give Phillips a shot in the top 6, but we've got two other great prospects putting up huge points in AHL that should be up here right away to see how they do.

Do I see that happening? Not a chance. But that's what I'd like to see.