2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[FlamesAddiction]

He's only 21 and a lot of power forwards are late bloomers. Not sure what I would trade for him because the bust potential is still pretty big, but if the acquisition cost was reasonable, I think it could be a good thing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think he is in the power forward category.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’m not sure why people are so quick to lay judgement.

Look at Nichushkin’s career. Look at Bennett’s.

To just go to “oh well, Yakupov busted”

Sometimes players and organizations just don’t work out together. Players and coaches don’t click, young men have troubles adapting. I still think Yakupov had it in him to be a good NHL’er but the Oilers sewered him.

I’d be really excited to get a player like Laf. Perfect age range to help this team for years to come and balance our old roster with some high end young blood.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Laf? That could be something tasty.

If you aren’t willing to take a risk, you’ll never win anything.

I also don’t understand how saying a player is slated to go 1st overall, and then he does, is overrating him. No one was saying this guy was Crosby. But he was the best of his draft class in his draft year. How that shakes out through his career is anyones guess. But, he was just a first overall pick. They aren’t all generational talents, and nobody said that about him anyway.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't think he is in the power forward category.

I haven't watched him a lot since his draft year, but there people who use that description for him, so I kind of assumed that was his style. I recall him describing himself like that in his post-draft interview as well.

[Toonage]

If you could get Lafrenierre then sure, but I agree with those who suggest he'll be moved in a deal for Patrick Kane.
I also agree with people who suggest the NYR development is, well, lacking.

[Sandman]

Laf will be part of the package to land Kane. He won't fulfill any of his potential if he doesn't improve his skating, though.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Only considering the two players and no additonal context (roster make up).

Dillon Dube for Alexis Lafrenière.. who says no?

Rangers, primarily because Lafreniere’s draft position/ hype will net more than Dube, who is currently the better player.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’m not sure why people are so quick to lay judgement.

Look at Nichushkin’s career. Look at Bennett’s.

To just go to “oh well, Yakupov busted”

Sometimes players and organizations just don’t work out together. Players and coaches don’t click, young men have troubles adapting. I still think Yakupov had it in him to be a good NHL’er but the Oilers sewered him.

I’d be really excited to get a player like Laf. Perfect age range to help this team for years to come and balance our old roster with some high end young blood.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Laf? That could be something tasty.

If you aren’t willing to take a risk, you’ll never win anything.

30+ years of risk taking and moving out first rounders like they're candy... hasn't exactly resulted in much winning, now has it? Hopefully you understand why fans are gunshy at the idea of trading away a first rounder in a deep draft for a very risky player.

If anything, the successes that the Flames have enjoyed in recent years have been the result of their drafting. Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Dube, Andersson, Lindholm (acquired in Fox trade), Ruzicka, Pelletier, Zary.

Winning teams are built through the draft. See Tampa, Colorado, etc.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

30+ years of risk taking and moving out first rounders like they're candy... hasn't exactly resulted in much winning, now has it? Hopefully you understand why fans are gunshy at the idea of trading away a first rounder in a deep draft for a very risky player.

If anything, the successes that the Flames have enjoyed in recent years have been the result of their drafting. Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Dube, Andersson, Lindholm (acquired in Fox trade), Ruzicka, Pelletier, Zary.

Winning teams are built through the draft. See Tampa, Colorado, etc.

come on, that was the Dougie trade...Fox was a throw in the everybody knew wouldn't sign with either team. Dougie was acquired trading a first and he turned into Lindholm and Hanifin on great contracts

[Jiri Hrdina]

Fox wasn’t a throw in. Canes specifically asked for him and wouldn’t do the deal without him

[Mathgod]

edit: Jiri beat me to it

[Sandman]

Man, before the season started I was big advocate for trading for Kravtsov- now I'm not sure. He's been scratched multiple times, and doesn't see much ice when he's in the lineup. Could be that the coach doesn't like him, but the Rangers have a few youngsters that are having growing pains. Kakko is 21, and has 17 pts in 38 games (not bad). Laf has 17 pts in 37 games. They are starting to see players like Chytil and Miller turn a corner though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Fox wasn’t a throw in. Canes specifically asked for him and wouldn’t do the deal without him

well they didn't do their homework then

its certainly wasn't the "Fox" trade...it may have pushed it over the top but Hamilton was obviously the big piece and he was acquired for a first himself

That drafted core didn't win more than 5 playoff games either...hopefully the Flames do better with this half acquired core, still lots of draft picks

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Laf will be part of the package to land Kane. He won't fulfill any of his potential if he doesn't improve his skating, though.

I see this brought up a lot and even though I agree it would make a ton of sense for NYR the cap space needs to work for them and it won't be easy.

Rangers will have 2.5M in cap space after Laf is gone meaning they need to ship out another 2.75M to have Kane at 50% retained (5.25)

Players making more than 2.75 on the Rangers: Panarin (2026), Zibanejad (2030), Kreider (2027), Trochek (2029), Goodrow (2028), Fox (2029), Trouba (2028), Lindgren (2025 RFA).

I just can't see them moving any of those out to add Kane as a rental? Would love to see some peoples ideas.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well they didn't do their homework then

its certainly wasn't the "Fox" trade...it may have pushed it over the top but Hamilton was obviously the big piece and he was acquired for a first himself

That drafted core didn't win more than 5 playoff games either...hopefully the Flames do better with this half acquired core, still lots of draft picks

Flames didn't win a darn thing while Dougie was here. Tre saw an opportunity to filp him and a blue chip prospect who didn't want to play here for two quality young players on great contracts. That's savvy GMing. This team's drafting has gotten better since Tre has been GM, but the team will still be hurt by trades over the past 7-8 years where draft picks were traded away.

You win by building through the draft - patiently and smartly - scout well, draft well, develop well... there are no shortcuts to winning a Stanley Cup. And it never hurts to win a trade or two along the way. I'm just not convinced that moving out a first rounder in a deep draft is the way to go.

[dino7c]

I'm not suggesting they did win anything with Dougie here

Hanifin and Lindholm are both young-ish core pieces. That first for Dougie still worked out great though...a mid first, fox, Ferkland
For two top 5 picks.

Trading a unprotected firsts for older rentals like the Panthers isn't a good idea I agree.
Trading a mid to late first for a high end signed youngish player can certainly be a good move though.

Flames have multiple top five drafts picks on their team, they just didn't happen to draft them...our guys bailed.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by jg13

I see this brought up a lot and even though I agree it would make a ton of sense for NYR the cap space needs to work for them and it won't be easy.

Rangers will have 2.5M in cap space after Laf is gone meaning they need to ship out another 2.75M to have Kane at 50% retained (5.25)

Players making more than 2.75 on the Rangers: Panarin (2026), Zibanejad (2030), Kreider (2027), Trochek (2029), Goodrow (2028), Fox (2029), Trouba (2028), Lindgren (2025 RFA).

I just can't see them moving any of those out to add Kane as a rental? Would love to see some peoples ideas.

I am not going to check your math or anything, but will ask - did you factor in the pro-rating associated with time of year?

capfriendly shows current cap space at ~2.96 but deadline cap space over 7.1

[Jason14h]

Can we also stop the "You win through the draft, look at Colorado and Tampa" statements as if these two team figured out a drafting formula the Flames could emulate.

They drafted elite talent in the top of the draft because they finished at the bottom of the league. They weren't picking in the bottom half of the first when they acquired their elite talent

TB Drafted Stamkos 1st, and Hedman 2nd overall. (They missed on Connolly 6th and Druin 3rd) . Vasilevsky at 19th in 2012 was the one late first they hit on

Colorado drafted McKinnon 1st, Landeskog 2nd, Rantanen 10th, and Makar 4th. Also throw in Byram at 4th overall. Since drafting McKinnon they have 5 first round picks in the top 10

While it is accurate to say these teams "Built through the draft" the reality is they all had multiple top 5 picks, and 5 top 10 picks over a decade, including top 2 picks multiple times.

The Flames "Problem" (If you can call it that) is that we never were terrible. It's not trading late firsts.

Drafting mid/late in the first round did not lead these 2 teams to success.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Can we also stop the "You win through the draft, look at Colorado and Tampa" statements as if these two team figured out a drafting formula the Flames could emulate.

They drafted elite talent in the top of the draft because they finished at the bottom of the league. They weren't picking in the bottom half of the first when they acquired their elite talent

TB Drafted Stamkos 1st, and Hedman 2nd overall. (They missed on Connolly 6th and Druin 3rd) . Vasilevsky at 19th in 2012 was the one late first they hit on

Colorado drafted McKinnon 1st, Landeskog 2nd, Rantanen 10th, and Makar 4th. Also throw in Byram at 4th overall. Since drafting McKinnon they have 5 first round picks in the top 10

While it is accurate to say these teams "Built through the draft" the reality is they all had multiple top 5 picks, and 5 top 10 picks over a decade, including top 2 picks multiple times.

The Flames "Problem" (If you can call it that) is that we never were terrible. It's not trading late firsts.

Drafting mid/late in the first round did not lead these 2 teams to success.

Exactly this.

You also need to nail the occasional mid and late round picks, which the Flames are actually pretty good at, but those top 5 picks are what creates contenders.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I don’t know what you guys are on about.

The team is gelling and I have them pencilled in to go deep