Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

A periodic reminder that when you re-arrange the letters in Mark Spector, you get: Tsk, more crap.

David Staples = Piddles avast!

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

That's former All-Star John Scott, to all the haters.

Yup got told by an Oilers fan that John Scott knows nothing about hockey. When I asked what this particular fans credentials of the game were it was Minor Hockey….. Oiler Fan…. Check

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Idiotic take, frankly, however much you dislike the Oilers and McDavid. The argument is basically he hasn't won a cup and his plus minus is bad - he's not a "winner". We've heard the same tired garbage for so long it is honestly painful to see it again. His editor should have rejected that and said "we are simply not paying for this trash. Write an actual piece, not something you copied and pasted from an article about Steve Yzerman written in 1994."

Weird. If only there was some way to figure out that playing unselfish defensive hockey leads to winning teams & culture.

It’s a conspiracy!!

Someone must have not wanted this super special information to get into the hands of Edmonton.

If only they knew about the Yzerman hidden obfuscated lesson…. then McDavid could have learned it like Crosby, Sakic, Forsberg, & Ovechkin.

That or just make 1/2 the league chainsmoking alcoholics & win like Gretz!

Oh well, you can’t ruin a player like McDavid like they did to Yakopov… you can just marginalize them. The minutes he plays makes elite defensive focus in hockey almost impossible, & it marginalizes his spectacular offense.

Plus if you actually read Ken Dryden’s book on Scotty Bowman, it wasn’t about Yzerman making a change to reduce offensive focus.

His body was breaking down & getting injured from playing too many hard minutes. It was about refocusing on a team game & playing fewer minutes to make him more effective. He also already had one of the best two way centres in the history of the game to take his spot when he left the ice (Fedorov).

Not only to the Oiler’s not want or think they need a center iceman with Fedorov’s defensive acumen. They either think they have it or wouldn’t give him more ice without McDavid’s blessing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Idiotic take, frankly, however much you dislike the Oilers and McDavid. The argument is basically he hasn't won a cup and his plus minus is bad - he's not a "winner". We've heard the same tired garbage for so long it is honestly painful to see it again. His editor should have rejected that and said "we are simply not paying for this trash. Write an actual piece, not something you copied and pasted from an article about Steve Yzerman written in 1994."

Its actually not an idiotic take.

How many power play specialists have won the cup? He is a crappy leader, he sets zero example for his teammates by working hard on both ends of the ice.

[TheSquatch]

We've watched McDavid cruise while his team gets scored on so many times it's comical now, I mean, his team mates must understand that he COULD skate hard and backcheck but he just.... doesn't. So he goes for 2 goals and an assist and -1 on the night. Well, actually, that IS important.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

We've watched McDavid cruise while his team gets scored on so many times it's comical now, I mean, his team mates must understand that he COULD skate hard and backcheck but he just.... doesn't. So he goes for 2 goals and an assist and -1 on the night. Well, actually, that IS important.

McDavid 🎩 Hat Trick 🪄!!!

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Groot

I read the article as he doesnt really act as a "leader" for his team and doesn't play a full 200-ft game, the type of game required to win Cups. Which is why he picked Robertson over McDavid currently when Robertson doesn't have a Cup either. It's not well-written either way.

Yes, but he is saying he believes Robertson will win a cup before McDavid does because of the way they play the game.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

John Scott is getting lit up on twitter

https://twitter.com/user/status/1607464006037704705

The only one on that list i'd take over McDavid is Makar and that's because of his age and his contract.

McDavid is absolutely ridiculous and dangerous every time he is on the ice. He does things at full speed that most NHLers can't do at half speed.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

The only one on that list i'd take over McDavid is Makar and that's because of his age and his contract.

McDavid is absolutely ridiculous and dangerous every time he is on the ice. He does things at full speed that most NHLers can't do at half speed.

Yeah he also seems like a #### leader.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Yeah he also seems like a #### leader.

1. What are you basing that on?

2. How could you possibly know that?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

The only one on that list i'd take over McDavid is Makar and that's because of his age and his contract.

McDavid is absolutely ridiculous and dangerous every time he is on the ice. He does things at full speed that most NHLers can't do at half speed.

The issue most people have are the things he doesn't do a full speed.
Like back check.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

The issue most people have are the things he doesn't do a full speed.
Like back check.

He plays 26 minutes a night. Other than Drai, they have nothing else going on offense. He's carrying that entire load. He can't play a hard two way game with that many minutes.

He's almost certainly doing what's being asked of him. Score and let the third and fourth liners carry the defensive load.

[genetic_phreek]

The McDavids

Spoiler!

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

He plays 26 minutes a night. Other than Drai, they have nothing else going on offense. He's carrying that entire load. He can't play a hard two way game with that many minutes.

He's almost certainly doing what's being asked of him. Score and let the third and fourth liners carry the defensive load.

Yeah, maybe if McDiver and Pissy cared a little less about winning scoring titles and individual trophies they could concentrate on both ends of the ice and Edmonton might actually become a contender. Seeing as neither has any interest in playing both ends of the ice then I would say that they are garbage leaders. Why is that so hard to understand. Even Gretzky played hard at both ends of the rink.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

1. What are you basing that on?

2. How could you possibly know that?

Watching him piss and moan anytime something doesn't go his way, having the personality of a wet fart and holding himself to 0 accountability.

The Oilers problem is not only their best player seems like an ass hat, their 2nd best player is the exact same.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

He plays 26 minutes a night. Other than Drai, they have nothing else going on offense. He's carrying that entire load. He can't play a hard two way game with that many minutes.

He's almost certainly doing what's being asked of him. Score and let the third and fourth liners carry the defensive load.

Which is a problem - and that's on him. At 5 on 5, he and Draisaitl are average players, because they play too many minutes, which means they have to cut corners defensively. You can't simply dismiss that fact.

And for some reason, he, and the Oilers, have yet to figure that out.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

his 26 minutes a night also inflate his point totals

so while impressive, they're not quite as extraordinary when you consider the fact that he plays games-worth more hockey over the course of a full season than the players he is compared to

[McG]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

his 26 minutes a night also inflate his point totals

so while impressive, they're not quite as extraordinary when you consider the fact that he plays games-worth more hockey over the course of a full season than the players he is compared to

Also not extraordinary is the percentage of time spent with an extra player for Conna on the PP even versus regular 5 on 5 in his regular 26 minutes a night. No doubt he is very effective with the extra attacker from a time on ice perspective, confirmed with greater than 50% of his points on the PP.

And while +/- is disparaged, it does show that 5v5, the Conna is surprisingly statistically worse than I’d expect from “the best player ever”.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by McG

Also not extraordinary is the percentage of time spent with an extra player for Conna on the PP even versus regular 5 on 5 in his regular 26 minutes a night. No doubt he is very effective with the extra attacker from a time on ice perspective, confirmed with greater than 50% of his points on the PP.

And while +/- is disparaged, it does show that 5v5, the Conna is surprisingly statistically worse than I’d expect from “the best player ever”.

It is crazy to look at the points he's putting up this season and see his +/- still in single digits and just above even. Crazy to see it still in double digits for his career too considering he has 750+ points.

[getbak]

This made me laugh, these items show up as trending on my Twitter feed right now...

• Bill Cosby
• Stormy Daniels
• Edmonton
• Shingles

Name four awful things that are hard to get rid of.