The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[timun]

Except it's not "the open-source world", it's "the Elon-Musk-pinky-swear world". If Company A uses one of Tesla's patents and Musky decides on a whim "I don't like you so I'm going to accuse you of having stolen one of our trade secrets" then bam: royalty-free use of the patent evaporates in an instant.

If barely anyone takes them up on their "open" patents promise then it is, in essence, a marketing gimmick.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1607378386338340867


Great overview on Twitter files as it pertains to Covid.

[PsYcNeT]

Man the Trump admin really had their fingers in everything eh

[Erick Estrada]

That's pretty scary how expert opinions were silenced. Not a good look at all for the Trump and Biden administrations as well as twitter itself as farming out moderation to the Philippines with moderation trees. Maybe Musk is doing the right thing here trying to kill twitter.

[JohnnyB]

Twitter seems to have been a pretty big mess even before Musk making changes. The whistle blower documents published back in September were pretty revealing in terms of just how big a mess already existed, in terms of executive leadership, tech and security.

[PsYcNeT]

Good thing Musk is such an altruist humanitarian that he would spend 44b of other people's money to expose this deep, world changing issue.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Good thing Musk is such an altruist humanitarian that he would spend 44b of other people's money to expose this deep, world changing issue.

We can certainly have our problems with Musk, but it shouldn’t detract from the information coming through these “Twitter files”. This ####, just a decade ago, would have been enough to sink an administration (well, in this case - two administrations).

This #%^* shows an absolute problem with Western “democracy”.

Musk may be a twat, but it’s not the lead here. The topic of conversation should absolutely be what’s been going on and how our governments are doing us all dirty.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1607378386338340867


Great overview on Twitter files as it pertains to Covid.

I see that as a company doing their best to moderate a large volume of false information using the best tools they have with all the flaws of people and protocol. And a government trying to tackle the problem of misinformation.

Missing from that entire article (assuming that all the listed misleading content was in fact factual and not misleading, note they don’t say it’s false so misleading is a much broader standard) was a comparison to the amount of fake content removed successfully. Essentially the goal of this work on Twitter was to remove content that was contributing to people dying. So how accurate was the tool. What % of tweets screens as misleading or false were in fact misleading or false.

I think the one example of showing the graph on myocarditis was misleading as declared by twitter as it lack all context in which to interpret the information. Sending out compartmentalized factual information without proper context can be misleading.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe Musk is doing the right thing here trying to kill twitter.

That's not what he's trying to do.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm not sure he was trying to kill Tesla, but down another 9% today so lol at that.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by GGG

I see that as a company doing their best to moderate a large volume of false information using the best tools they have with all the flaws of people and protocol. And a government trying to tackle the problem of misinformation.

Missing from that entire article (assuming that all the listed misleading content was in fact factual and not misleading, note they don’t say it’s false so misleading is a much broader standard) was a comparison to the amount of fake content removed successfully. Essentially the goal of this work on Twitter was to remove content that was contributing to people dying. So how accurate was the tool. What % of tweets screens as misleading or false were in fact misleading or false.

I think the one example of showing the graph on myocarditis was misleading as declared by twitter as it lack all context in which to interpret the information. Sending out compartmentalized factual information without proper context can be misleading.

Would seem to me that the same people who have demonstrated numeric illiteracy throughout Covid continue to do so here. Without some type of consistent numbers as to efficacy or non- of Twitter's attempts to combat misinformation (and governments'), a bunch of individual anecdotes are just more of the same from that crowd.

Also - yeah - coming up with a way to successfully combat junk information that contributes to large-scale societal harm would be tricky. I'm glad I wasn't in charge of that product at Twitter lol. Imagine trying to come up with a way to teach your thousands of Filipino customer support staff how to differentiate between harmful misinformation and valid free speech. In - like - a couple weeks. After being threatened by the government. No thanks.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This #%^* shows an absolute problem with Western “democracy”.

It’s pretty evident that there are cracks at the foundation and it’s kind of frightening IMO.

[Locke]

I think this is great. You couldnt possible have made Twitter this entertaining on purpose.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We can certainly have our problems with Musk, but it shouldn’t detract from the information coming through these “Twitter files”. This ####, just a decade ago, would have been enough to sink an administration (well, in this case - two administrations).

This #%^* shows an absolute problem with Western “democracy”.

Musk may be a twat, but it’s not the lead here. The topic of conversation should absolutely be what’s been going on and how our governments are doing us all dirty.

Huh? Have you forgotten about the NSA stuff that was leaked a decade ago? That was vastly, vastly more egregious than anything that has come out about Twitter. That involved backdoors into individuals' personal communications so the government could spy on American citizens.

Nothing that has come out from the "Twitter Files" is even in the same universe as the NSA stuff nor is it remotely surprising to anyone who pays attention. Like, were you under the impression that the government and law enforcement dnn't try to influence media to their advantage?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm not sure he was trying to kill Tesla, but down another 9% today so lol at that.

Lost $200 a share in 3 months, If this keeps up I can see Tesla being sold to one of the big car makers.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Lost $200 a share in 3 months, If this keeps up I can see Tesla being sold to one of the big car makers.

GM should buy them, their dealers already have a nice little Tesla repair business going on.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

GM should buy them, their dealers already have a nice little Tesla repair business going on.

I always figured Stelantis would be the best fit. They seem to be behind others on EV's at this point, plus the fit and finish would fit right in.

[nfotiu]

They'd have to drop a whole lot more, wouldn't they? Toyota is the only company even close in market cap. Tesla is worth 10x more than GM, Ford or Stellantis.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

They'd have to drop a whole lot more, wouldn't they? Toyota is the only company even close in market cap. Tesla is worth 10x more than GM, Ford or Stellantis.

I'm not going to pretend that I have any intricate knowledge of it, but...I think Tesla and their market-cap is a house of cards.

If I'm Tesla and I see my competitive advantage about to end and the face of the company being the world's dumbest clown?

I think Tesla is about to have their lunch fed to them in the next 18-24 months.

But I'm no expert nor am I gambler or a big-city lawyer.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GGG

I see that as a company doing their best to moderate a large volume of false information using the best tools they have with all the flaws of people and protocol. And a government trying to tackle the problem of misinformation.

Missing from that entire article (assuming that all the listed misleading content was in fact factual and not misleading, note they don’t say it’s false so misleading is a much broader standard) was a comparison to the amount of fake content removed successfully. Essentially the goal of this work on Twitter was to remove content that was contributing to people dying. So how accurate was the tool. What % of tweets screens as misleading or false were in fact misleading or false.

I think the one example of showing the graph on myocarditis was misleading as declared by twitter as it lack all context in which to interpret the information. Sending out compartmentalized factual information without proper context can be misleading.

Yeah exactly. The discussions they have point to them taking a serious approach to what they were doing. And literally 95% of this stuff happened while Trump was president so its not some Democrat gotcha that Yoho and his elk think it is.

Now we've got one guy making these calls and its a guy who will rail on and one about the US and their issues but won't make a peep about China because they might shut his business out. So now instead of decisions made through discussion and slanted towards a west view - we've got a guy making a call who's main business is largely dependant on China for its valuation. That may make the Johnny anti-US posters happy but not great for the US and its allies to have a guy who won't go after their biggest competitor.