12-24-2022, 05:29 PM
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#2701
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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I'm totally fine with seeing the Cowboys in the playoffs. Needed 4 turnovers and a 3rd and 30 to beat our backup QB at home.
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12-24-2022, 05:29 PM
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#2702
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
Minshew has easily taken 14 points off the board for the Eagles. Absolutely asinine to suggest Hurts isn't the engine of this offense.
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You're an advanced stats guy, surely you are aware how much further ahead Mahomes is than Hurts in DYAR and DVOA right? Hurts being extremely valuable doesn't make him the most valuable. If there is a most valuable element to Hurts is that on his poverty contract he surely provides the most value relative to cost in the league. Be interesting to see how good the Eagles are when Hurts is on $50 million a season and not $1.6 million.
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12-24-2022, 05:45 PM
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#2703
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
As if Hurts is playing in a terrible scheme, but is single handily overcoming it? If overcoming scheme becomes a factor in MVP, then Herbert should probably be MVP with the dog#### scheme he has to overcome, while still looking great. Hurts has had an excellent season, and if the award were Most Outstanding Player he'd probably have it in the bag. But the Chiefs are a 6 win team with a replacement level QB, even in the Andy Reid scheme. The Eagles might be a 10 win team with Minshew, who is, well, replacement level.
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You have to give it to Mahomes and Reid. That offense is Kelse and a bunch of castoffs on offense that has no business being anywhere near the top offense in the league yet they are. I don't want to get too much in the MVP debate but the Eagles are stacked team as they just put over 30 points with Minshew at QB. The Chiefs without Mahomes would have a tough time scoring 20 points on most teams.
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12-24-2022, 07:38 PM
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#2704
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
You're an advanced stats guy, surely you are aware how much further ahead Mahomes is than Hurts in DYAR and DVOA right? Hurts being extremely valuable doesn't make him the most valuable. If there is a most valuable element to Hurts is that on his poverty contract he surely provides the most value relative to cost in the league. Be interesting to see how good the Eagles are when Hurts is on $50 million a season and not $1.6 million.
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I'm not saying Mahomes isn't a/the MVP. I'm saying the "Hurts is a system QB" takes are dumb as hell.
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12-24-2022, 07:47 PM
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#2705
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
I'm not saying Mahomes isn't a/the MVP. I'm saying the "Hurts is a system QB" takes are dumb as hell.
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The "Mahomes is a system QB" narrative was just as dumb.
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12-24-2022, 07:54 PM
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#2706
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
The "Mahomes is a system QB" narrative was just as dumb.
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I think Mahomes is phenomenal. Best QB in the league, regardless of system.
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12-24-2022, 08:09 PM
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#2707
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
I'm not saying Mahomes isn't a/the MVP. I'm saying the "Hurts is a system QB" takes are dumb as hell.
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In general I don't think it's been too many "system QB" takes, more of "his team is really, really good" takes. They might have the best overall roster in the league. He's been outstanding, and unlike if Tua had won MVP I won't find any issue with Hurts as MVP. I just think the Chiefs are like the Packers under Rodgers, and to a lesser extent the Colts under Manning: A mediocre team carried by insanely elite QB play.
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12-24-2022, 08:10 PM
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#2708
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#1 Goaltender
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This is terrible football.
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12-24-2022, 08:11 PM
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#2709
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Lifetime Suspension
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This is some awful football
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12-24-2022, 08:25 PM
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#2710
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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this is like the Ravens-Browns game last week.
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12-24-2022, 08:26 PM
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#2711
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Textbook game you should only be watching because of fantasy or gambling.
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12-24-2022, 09:08 PM
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#2712
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Apartment 5A
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LOL Raiders
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12-24-2022, 09:08 PM
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#2713
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Derek Carr is not good.
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12-24-2022, 09:13 PM
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#2714
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Well if there's any good news for Raiders fans is they didn't sneak into the playoffs and trick themselves into more of Carr as the QB. Wouldn't be shocked to see Brady and Gronk in Vegas next year.
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12-24-2022, 09:25 PM
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#2715
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Well if there's any good news for Raiders fans is they didn't sneak into the playoffs and trick themselves into more of Carr as the QB. Wouldn't be shocked to see Brady and Gronk in Vegas next year.
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Lol. This is the Raiders we're talking about. They're getting Jimmy G and Eric Ebron.
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12-24-2022, 09:41 PM
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#2717
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Lifetime Suspension
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Derek Carr is/will make the perfect next QB for the Colts
Lol
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12-24-2022, 09:59 PM
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#2718
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
Lol. This is the Raiders we're talking about. They're getting Jimmy G and Eric Ebron.
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I was thinking Carson Wentz and Logan Thomas. But yours works.
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12-25-2022, 05:32 AM
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#2719
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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those meaningless wins piss me off to no ends. Sure, chalk it up to being a nice win for Franco, but that offense is more of an insult than a tribute. Hats off to the Raiders for being even worse I guess.
I so badly want to see it with Pickett, but I just don't. Erratic when the pocket isn't super clean (and with this OL, especially the bad left side, it rarely ever is), and he just can't get past his first read. Terrible pick and should be at least another (Robertson narrowly missed the pick 6 at the end of the 1st quarter). I just see nothing that would suggest that he will ever be a top 10 starter in this league. Steelers will have to go back to the well in 24 or so.
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12-25-2022, 08:40 AM
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#2720
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
those meaningless wins piss me off to no ends. Sure, chalk it up to being a nice win for Franco, but that offense is more of an insult than a tribute. Hats off to the Raiders for being even worse I guess.
I so badly want to see it with Pickett, but I just don't. Erratic when the pocket isn't super clean (and with this OL, especially the bad left side, it rarely ever is), and he just can't get past his first read. Terrible pick and should be at least another (Robertson narrowly missed the pick 6 at the end of the 1st quarter). I just see nothing that would suggest that he will ever be a top 10 starter in this league. Steelers will have to go back to the well in 24 or so.
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I'm optimistic about Pickett. He is young and it seems like he is capable of learning so I expect that next season will be better. There has already been a lot of growth in his game throughout this season. I'd like to dump Mitch ASAP and bring in a backup that can actually teach/lead Pickett in a good way and Mitch is trash. I hope Pickett is learning nothing from Mitch because that will make him better.
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