2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

A lot could change, but right now it looks like Edmonton, Calgary, LA fighting for a division spot and a WC spot.

Exhibit A

What else would this possibly mean?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its okay...people lol'd when I said Vegas might not make it last season

I think Seattle has had everything go right for them and have been taken lightly...they might get a spot but of Calgary, LA, Edmonton, Seattle, they would be my third or fourth pick despite play so far. Their goaltending is really starting to buckle.

How you are describing Seattle is exactly how you could describe Calgary last year. Literally everything went right there were no injuries and they had a bunch of career years. They were coming off 2 pretty medicore years and teams took them lightly.

They might fall back but there always seems to be a team that seems to come out of nowhere and has a good year and right now that feels like Seattle

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How you are describing Seattle is exactly how you could describe Calgary last year. Literally everything went right there were no injuries and they had a bunch of career years. They were coming off 2 pretty medicore years and teams took them lightly.

They might fall back but there always seems to be a team that seems to come out of nowhere and has a good year and right now that feels like Seattle

The difference is we had a lot of under performing stars that turned it around.

Seattle seems to have a top young players and scrubs over performing.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You certainly implied that Seattle was a lock

"Calgary, Edmonton, LA battling for two spots"

Originally Posted by dino7c

Exhibit A

What else would this possibly mean?

As I've said, I think Seattle makes the playoffs, likely a 2/3 spot. I never said they are a lock for 2nd. Which is where this all started. And you keep saying I said Seattle was a lock for 2nd.

You get tunnel vision and can't just read things subjectively. It has been that way for a long time.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The difference is we had a lot of under performing stars that turned it around.

Seattle seems to have a top young players and scrubs over performing.

I think it is the fact the Flames star players is why their ceiling was higher last year than Seattle. The Flames went from non playoff team to a division winner and popular pick to win the west or at least make the conference finals. I feel like Seattle will just be a mid to low pack playoff team. It just feels like they are that it team that puts it together.

[Vinny01]

I wonder about a deal between the Flyers and Jackets that sends Hayes to Columbus for Voracek? I believe Voracek’s career is at risk and he only has a year left on his cap so this gives Philly some flexibility. Columbus gets a center who used to have chemistry with their star winger and he is still very productive

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

As I've said, I think Seattle makes the playoffs, likely a 2/3 spot. I never said they are a lock for 2nd. Which is where this all started. And you keep saying I said Seattle was a lock for 2nd.

You get tunnel vision and can't just read things subjectively. It has been that way for a long time.

Okay so 3 spots and 4 teams

Of those teams Seattle is no more likely for a divisional spot than the others...in fact I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle is the odd one out. It's not tunnel vision I am disagreeing with you that Seattle is taking a spot. I would bet Calgary and Edmonton finish ahead of Seattle. Kraken can't keep the puck out of their own net.

They have had a dream start and Calgary a poor one and they are 3 points up

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How you are describing Seattle is exactly how you could describe Calgary last year. Literally everything went right there were no injuries and they had a bunch of career years. They were coming off 2 pretty medicore years and teams took them lightly.

They might fall back but there always seems to be a team that seems to come out of nowhere and has a good year and right now that feels like Seattle

Calgary had high end players though...I don't think Calgary making the playoffs was a big surprise. Almost everyone picked them as top 3 in the Pacific before the season started.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Okay so 3 spots and 4 teams

Of those teams Seattle is no more likely for a divisional spot than the others...in fact I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle is the odd one out. It's not tunnel vision I am disagreeing with you that Seattle is taking a spot. I would bet Calgary and Edmonton finish ahead of Seattle. Kraken can't keep the puck out of their own net.

They have had a dream start and Calgary a poor one and they are 3 points up

You still have the tunnel vision. lol. I have kept saying that you are right, they may not make the playoffs. Again this all started over you saying I said Seattle was a lock for 2nd. Calling me out on it. I didnt.

Its like talking to a wall.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

You still have the tunnel vision. lol. I have kept saying that you are right, they may not make the playoffs. Again this all started over you saying I said Seattle was a lock for 2nd. Calling me out on it. I didnt.

Its like talking to a wall.

Pot calling the Kettle black

You litterally said Edmonton, Calgary, and LA are fighting for two spots...your words.

What the hell else would that mean? Seriously guy.

If Seattle isn't fighting for those spots they are 2 derp

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

your first comment implied SEA was a given for 2nd, and CGY, LAK and EDM were fighting for 3rd and WC - that is what people were challenging

Thank you...basic logic

But I'm the bad guy as usual lol

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Calgary had high end players though...I don't think Calgary making the playoffs was a big surprise. Almost everyone picked them as top 3 in the Pacific before the season started.

I believe most of the media had Vegas, Edmonton and Vancouver as the 3 teams with a few saying the Flames had a shot for top 3 but I don’t think many had them winning the division. The flames having everything go right leads to a division title while Seattle doing well is more like the 2015 Flames where just making it is what mattered.

Calgary was the surprise team last year. Losing number 1 Dman and replacing him with some third pair muscle while also adding some cheap and expensive gritty bottom 6 forwards turned out to be great.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I believe most of the media had Vegas, Edmonton and Vancouver as the 3 teams with a few saying the Flames had a shot for top 3 but I don’t think many had them winning the division. The flames having everything go right leads to a division title while Seattle doing well is more like the 2015 Flames where just making it is what mattered.

Calgary was the surprise team last year. Losing number 1 Dman and replacing him with some third pair muscle while also adding some cheap and expensive gritty bottom 6 forwards turned out to be great.

That's not accurate. The preseason picking was VGS 1st, EDM and CGY as a pickem 2-3, with VAN and LAK as teams that might surprise. Very few actually slotted the Nucks into the top 3

Conversely, SEA was on almost everyone's Bedard list thsi year

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

your first comment implied SEA was a given for 2nd, and CGY, LAK and EDM were fighting for 3rd and WC - that is what people were challenging

I suppose I could have said 2nd or 3rd division spot. Thought by saying a division spot instead of 3rd it could just be a division spot

Have no problem with someone thinking differently. Just didnt say Seattle was a lock for 2nd.

Have no problem debating the merits of Seattle holding down a division or playoff spot. They may not. Just didnt say they were a lock for 2nd.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's not accurate. The preseason picking was VGS 1st, EDM and CGY as a pickem 2-3, with VAN and LAK as teams that might surprise. Very few actually slotted the Nucks into the top 3

Conversely, SEA was on almost everyone's Bedard list thsi year

I remember Marek and Friedman being big on Vancouver before last season. Calgary was in the mix but no one had them as a 111pt division winner after losing their captain for nothing.

Calgary was supposed to be in the McDavid mix in 2015 that is more like Seattle this year. My point of the post which is possibly being missed is that Calgary overachieved last year because everything went right for them (the same point that was made about Seattle). More than half the team had career years and literally no one of significance missed any time with injuries.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I suppose I could have said 2nd or 3rd division spot. Thought by saying a division spot instead of 3rd it could just be a division spot

Have no problem with someone thinking differently. Just didnt say Seattle was a lock for 2nd.

Have no problem debating the merits of Seattle holding down a division or playoff spot. They may not. Just didnt say they were a lock for 2nd.

I am just disagreeing that they are a lock for a spot at all...they are in the race with the other 3 teams, IMO of course...who knows

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I remember Marek and Friedman being big on Vancouver before last season. Calgary was in the mix but no one had them as a 111pt division winner after losing their captain for nothing.

Calgary was supposed to be in the McDavid mix in 2015 that is more like Seattle this year. My point of the post which is possibly being missed is that Calgary overachieved last year because everything went right for them (the same point that was made about Seattle). More than half the team had career years and literally no one of significance missed any time with injuries.

True, but now you're moving the goalposts.

I agree that everything went right, and them winning the division was a surprise. But they were favorites to make the playoffs, and that was not a surprise at all.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I remember Marek and Friedman being big on Vancouver before last season. Calgary was in the mix but no one had them as a 111pt division winner after losing their captain for nothing.

Calgary was supposed to be in the McDavid mix in 2015 that is more like Seattle this year. My point of the post which is possibly being missed is that Calgary overachieved last year because everything went right for them (the same point that was made about Seattle). More than half the team had career years and literally no one of significance missed any time with injuries.

2015 Flames totally...last year a lot of sites had them top three

Even with the poor Canadian division showing they would have been top 3 on points percentage of Pacific teams. Winning the division was a surprise though.

Seattle might do it, looking at the teams in the running they would be my pick to fall out though. Goaltending is bad and the league is going to tighten up in the second half. I don't expect many 6-5 or 8-7 wins

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I am just disagreeing that they are a lock for a spot at all...they are in the race with the other 3 teams, IMO of course...who knows

Ya i have no problem with that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

True, but now you're moving the goalposts.

I agree that everything went right, and them winning the division was a surprise. But they were favorites to make the playoffs, and that was not a surprise at all.

Not moving goalposts whatsoever. I didn’t say they were a bottom feeder at all but they came off a year with no playoffs and lost their captain. They were a bubble team going in and surprised and looked to be a contender

Let me make this clear. My point was the team surprised last year and one of the reasons they had such a good year was because everything went right for them. Full stop that is the point.