The Ongoing Super Mega Weather Thread v3

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

nothing says christmas time around CP like posters digging up statistical data on lives lost to extreme heat events with pictures of suffering animals for dramatic effect

If you wanted to help you could have at least contributed a link to that sad as hell sarah mclachlan song. Would have fit the theme we’re trying to build out here.

[Wormius]

Not sure who mentioned it before, but yeah, make sure your vents are free from ice. I noticed my basement felt a little cold and found the fireplace pilot light was off. After I re-ignited it and tried to turn the fireplace on it turned on for about 2 seconds and then totally flamed-out. Did this a few more times (be careful with this) and then after checking some suggestions online decided to check the vent outside, on the hope that I didn't need to call somebody in. For one thing, it had some weird-ass bug egg sac, and also the whole thing was encased in snow and ice. As soon as I chipped it all away, the fireplace came back to life.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

nothing says christmas time around CP like posters digging up statistical data on lives lost to extreme heat events with pictures of suffering animals for dramatic effect

I mean all I was trying to say is that -30 is highly unpleasant and objectively more unpleasant for the average person than +30 but I'm being made to question this because Albertans died last year in a heat wave, and animals die in fires in Brazil.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Not sure who mentioned it before, but yeah, make sure your vents are free from ice. I noticed my basement felt a little cold and found the fireplace pilot light was off. After I re-ignited it and tried to turn the fireplace on it turned on for about 2 seconds and then totally flamed-out. Did this a few more times (be careful with this) and then after checking some suggestions online decided to check the vent outside, on the hope that I didn't need to call somebody in. For one thing, it had some weird-ass bug egg sac, and also the whole thing was encased in snow and ice. As soon as I chipped it all away, the fireplace came back to life.

this checks out as a Rick adventure

[JohnnyB]

You can live indefinitely at +30. I would happily live at +30 all the time, but if I had to try that at -30 I would die pretty quickly. The only way people live in -30 environments for any lengthy period of time is by having bubbles with livable temperatures to get inside of, so they're not living in -30.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Acey

I mean all I was trying to say is that -30 is highly unpleasant and objectively more unpleasant for the average person than +30 but I'm being made to question this because Albertans died last year in a heat wave, and animals die in fires in Brazil.

This is where you keep losing me (besides the silliness of the comparison but I digress).

-30 is not objectively worse. It is subjectively worse.

My house is perfectly comfortable in -30. Even with AC that’s not the case in +30. I find commuting to and from the office about equally as uncomfortable in both temps for different reasons. But neither are much of an inconvenience overall.

Possibly the biggest inconvenience is airport travel which is more heavily affected by winter weather and since I am travelling, ultra cold temps are a potential concern. But that’s separate from other factors from snow, which don’t have much to do with the specific temp. Even then it’s not something I do all the time in -30 so isn’t a major factor when considering pros/cons of either temp extreme.

Then again, I quite like Calgary’s climate. It’s a nice mix of temps all year round and I find it quite enjoyable. So I don’t quite get all the hand wringing and complaining. Except maybe for people who work outdoors and are directly affected by the temp constantly.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You can live indefinitely at +30. I would happily live at +30 all the time, but if I had to try that at -30 I would die pretty quickly. The only way people live in -30 environments for any lengthy period of time is by having bubbles with livable temperatures to get inside of, so they're not living in -30.

You're right obviously, but I think what they're saying is that you can also live indefinitely at -30 if you put 10 jackets on, because clothes exist. Right?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You can live indefinitely at +30. I would happily live at +30 all the time, but if I had to try that at -30 I would die pretty quickly. The only way people live in -30 environments for any lengthy period of time is by having bubbles with livable temperatures to get inside of, so they're not living in -30.

clearly there is only one way to solve this

if sliver and pepsi can live in a -30 bubble for a calendar year with their umpteen layers of clothing on at all times to fend off death and still attest to -30 being the superior way of life on the other side, then they win the argument

[btimbit]

This conversation is a lot more fun when it goes on for one afternoon every few months, not several days straight

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You can live indefinitely at +30. I would happily live at +30 all the time, but if I had to try that at -30 I would die pretty quickly. The only way people live in -30 environments for any lengthy period of time is by having bubbles with livable temperatures to get inside of, so they're not living in -30.

Ya and I’d rather -30 than live on the surface of Mercury. But neither are a realistic scenario so I’m not sure how relevant such a comparison is. Other than to, once again, illustrate what a silly comparison it is using those two temps.

[Acey]

Ideally the comparison would be between 2 temperatures where, if you polled thousands of random Calgarians, it would land at 50-50 if the metric was "overall discomfort".

-30 to +30 is definitely not the comparison that would yield this result.

[undercoverbrother]

I wish it was hotter

[calgarygeologist]

We are supposed to fly on Monday and with all the delays and cancellations still happening in Vancouver and elsewhere in Western Canada plus travel chaos now hitting the US and possibly YYZ this weekend I'm getting very concerned it will be a huge headache.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Acey

You're right obviously, but I think what they're saying is that you can also live indefinitely at -30 if you put 10 jackets on, because clothes exist. Right?

One jacket, actually. It’s called a winter jacket and it’s often insulated. They usually have hoods and are good are protecting people from the elements. You can combine them with winter-appropriate pants and other accessories for full body protection. It’s all a very new and novel invention. Humans, eh? What will they think of next.

Originally Posted by Acey

Ideally the comparison would be between 2 temperatures where, if you polled thousands of random Calgarians, it would land at 50-50 if the metric was "overall discomfort".

-30 to +30 is definitely not the comparison that would yield this result.

You’re still arguing against nothing.

Thousands of Calgarians don’t matter and 50-50 is an irrelevant objective. The conversation started with the question of how anyone (not a lot of people, not an equal amount of people, just anyone) could prefer this to +30. And the few of us (yes, few, not equal, not 50%) who can handle -30 just fine explained it.

This conversation has never been about which temperature is objectively better. It started with the disbelief that anyone could prefer -30 to +30 on and individual, subjective level and you just haven’t been able to wrap your head around it. Nobody is trying to prove to you that you should think -30 is better, you do understand that, right?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Acey

This is really what's being lost here and the biggest detriment to these temperatures, as opposed to burning animals in the Amazon. It's just the fact that the roads suck, people are late for work, their cars won't start, transit crumbles and is late all day, equipment fails, everyone is inside making each other sick, people don't want to shovel their sidewalks making them hazardous, etc.

Sliver's solution to put 10 jackets on unfortunately doesn't solve these logistical issues, and for a city that regularly sees these temperatures it's the same nonsense every year.



Why wouldn't I? The burning animals line of thinking has been fantastically entertaining. This isn't middle school... you calling me a loser or loser behaviour or whatever isn't particularly offensive.

There are few limits to how you can dress up to manage extreme cold.

The level to which you can dress down to manage heat is finite and often insufficient.

So, I prefer extreme cold to extreme heat.

[Mr.Coffee]

Anyone saying -30 is good can objectively and ironically go to hell. And that’s the last on this matter. Next issue please.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Thousands of Calgarians don’t matter and 50-50 is an irrelevant objective. The conversation started with the question of how anyone (not a lot of people, not an equal amount of people, just anyone) could prefer this to +30. And the few of us (yes, few, not equal, not 50%) who can handle -30 just fine explained it.

My point was only that debates are more interesting when there is a variation of characters and reasoning on both sides, which is more likely to occur when the ratio isn't so lopsided.

I've worked outdoors in Alberta for decades now and I do just fine, but I'm not surprised you think I can't handle it because for you it always has to be that your preference is one that elevates you over the contrary positon.

[JohnnyB]

-30 is extreme cold. +30 is not extreme heat. +30 is a totally normal temperature for humans to live at.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

There are few limits to how you can dress up to manage extreme cold.



The level to which you can dress down to manage heat is finite and often insufficient.



So, I prefer extreme cold to extreme heat.

This reasoning has been presented multiple times and is perfectly sound, but specific to this debate I think we're just questioning whether or not +30 is a degree of heat unmanageable with normal clothes to conduct regular outdoor activities. In my opinion, the answer is no... and given how busy every park and outdoor establishment is when it's +30 vs -30 most Calgarians would say the same, but it's personal preference.

[Fuzz]

OK, well moving on...one thing we can all agree on is -5 is better than +5 in winter.