Too early to panic about Markstrom

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yikes

1) Vladar is the starter, say what you want, the Flames play better in front of him.

2) Bring up Wolf as back up and play him
3) Get rid of Sutter and his bull####

4) Move Markstrom for decent picks, retain what we have to
5) Attach the Lucic contract to a Hanifin trade, retain what we have to on Lucic, only works when Tanev is ok.

6) Buy out Kylington
7) Buy out Rooney

8) Give Phillips a regular shift
9) Not sure on other Wranglers?
10) Put the $ from Markstrom, Kylington, Rooney and Lucic to work

Yikes....... indeed!

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Rest of the unrealistic nonsense aside, why in the world would you attach Lucic to a Hanifin trade and reduce the value of that trade? That is a terrible idea.

Easy way to get rid of Lucic and his contract, Hanifin is a good asset, good contract, send him back to the USA cuz that's where he is going anyways.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Easy way to get rid of Lucic and his contract, Hanifin is a good asset, good contract, send him back to the USA cuz that's where he is going anyways.

Why would you need to get rid of a contract that expires in a few months.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Easy way to get rid of Lucic and his contract, Hanifin is a good asset, good contract, send him back to the USA cuz that's where he is going anyways.

Lucic's contract is expiring. Why'd you tank Hanifin's value by attaching Lucic to it? Trade Hanifin in the offseason instead. Flames would have to take back on similar cap from whoever they trade with.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why would you need to get rid of a contract that expires in a few months.

Cap space, gets him off the roster, closes the book on Neal.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lucic's contract is expiring. Why'd you tank Hanifin's value by attaching Lucic to it? Trade Hanifin in the offseason instead. Flames would have to take back on similar cap from whoever they trade with.

Unless we take value picks.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Unless we take value picks.

So Lucic + Hanifin for cap dumps from the other team + 2nd or something? Is what you want just to get out of Lucic's contract for half a season. Yikes

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Cap space, gets him off the roster, closes the book on Neal.

But you’re not using the cap space for anything and you’re taking a lower return on Hanifin to do it.

It’s really stupid, especially when your idea is to clear $10M even without moving Lucic

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

That's the answer after Vladar was torched in his last outing and highly average the game before as well?

As much as some want it to be, goaltending isn't the primary issue with this team.

Maybe the second goal was a bit soft last night, but you can't let a guy waltz in alone like that in the NHL. Either way, Markstrom had his team in the drivers seat after that and once again, they couldn't come through.

Goaltending is the only thing they can hope to fix in a short amount of time. If the team can’t find a hot goaltender to ride for a while I think they’re done.

The team is riddled with players on bad contracts. Those can’t be traded without losing more draft picks, which is a bad way to run a team. Like it or not, the team isn’t changing much any time soon. The only big boost they could get is Kylington returning, but that seems less and less likely as time goes on.

The D this year has been lousy. Mackey has been a bust and after a good start, Stone is reaching his limit. Tanev has underperformed. Unfortunately there isn’t much relief coming from the AHL either.

And the forwards for whatever reason just aren’t meshing. To his credit Sutter has tried all sorts of combos, but nothing has worked well.

[Yikes]

My way clears approx $20mm now plus should bring in a ton of picks.


So at this point are we really going to,


1) Miss Lucic?
2) Miss Sutter?
3) Miss Markstrom?
4) Miss Kylington?

5) Miss Hanifin?


The answer is no to all of the above. Do we really need players back right now? No

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Yikes

1) Vladar is the starter, say what you want, the Flames play better in front of him.

2) Bring up Wolf as back up and play him
3) Get rid of Sutter and his bull####

4) Move Markstrom for decent picks, retain what we have to
5) Attach the Lucic contract to a Hanifin trade, retain what we have to on Lucic, only works when Tanev is ok.

6) Buy out Kylington
7) Buy out Rooney

8) Give Phillips a regular shift
9) Not sure on other Wranglers?
10) Put the $ from Markstrom, Kylington, Rooney and Lucic to work

Jay Feaster is that you?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Oh yeah I agree Sutter is the number one issue now. Not seeing much buy in or excitement from the team here. They’re playing the system but I don’t get the sense they’re excited about it or are sold on it just kinda doing what’s expected of them in a mediocre kind of way.

This is nonsense, honestly.

You have no idea what 20 professional athletes are thinking

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yikes

My way clears approx $20mm now plus should bring in a ton of picks.


So at this point are we really going to,


1) Miss Lucic?
2) Miss Sutter?
3) Miss Markstrom?
4) Miss Kylington?

5) Miss Hanifin?


The answer is no to all of the above. Do we really need players back right now? No

You won’t get a ton of picks and cap space though. What teams have the cap space to take on any of those contracts without sending anything back. Especially 10 mil in the Hanifin+Lucic trade. You are in fantasy or troll land

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Yikes

1) Vladar is the starter, say what you want, the Flames play better in front of him.

Not off to a good start ... 1) was incorrect.

Flames are 53.3% xGF% in front of Markstrom and 50.9% in front of Vladar.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yikes

My way clears approx $20mm now plus should bring in a ton of picks.


So at this point are we really going to,


1) Miss Lucic?
2) Miss Sutter?
3) Miss Markstrom?
4) Miss Kylington?

5) Miss Hanifin?


The answer is no to all of the above. Do we really need players back right now? No

Your way also ensures you get less picks than if you were to sell Hanifin without Lucic. Agree or disagree with moving those players out, your ideas on how to do it aren’t smart.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This is nonsense, honestly.

You have no idea what 20 professional athletes are thinking

Just my opinion. However a lot of other people here are thinking the same so it’s not just me. Maybe it’s just too many players on their big contracts and no one hungry enough? Regardless not seeing a lot of enthusiasm here.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Just my opinion. However a lot of other people here are thinking the same so it’s not just me. Maybe it’s just too many players on their big contracts and no one hungry enough? Regardless not seeing a lot of enthusiasm here.

Guessing at the thoughts and enthusiasm level of 20 complete strangers is just fiction.

My question for Sutter dislikers ... did you have these same feelings all last season but had to just eat it because the team was doing well?

Coaching isn't the issue, the Flames finally have an elite coach in a market that is next to impossible to attract anything but average. If the team (that was remarkably enthusiastic last year) suddenly isn't enthusiastic they better cut that cancer out as effectively and quickly as they can.

Because an average team playing average will be worse with an average coach.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Just my opinion. However a lot of other people here are thinking the same so it’s not just me. Maybe it’s just too many players on their big contracts and no one hungry enough? Regardless not seeing a lot of enthusiasm here.

Or its a veteran laden team who have been there before and know the season is a long slog so they don't get too high or too low. It could be just as easily one as the other.

[Enoch Root]

and not winning isn't fun - of course they are not happy right now

I would be more concerned if they were

[Kasi]

No my feeling last year is how it always is with Sutter. It’s great if there is buy in. We know from previous stints with us and LA that there is a shelf life with Sutter that after a certain point players check out. Heck Tkachuk has pretty much told the media he wanted no part of Sutter anymore. So yeah my thoughts were yay Sutter was connecting with the team and we did well. Now it’s just hard to not think of the impending expiry date we knew was coming at some point. I didn’t think it would be this year though.