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		|  12-14-2022, 11:27 PM | #141 |  
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					Originally Posted by Infinit47  Advanced metrics put Markstrom at pretty much the bottom of the starting goalies. Goal #2 in particular could have easily been saved if he wasn't needlessly on his knees. He overplayed the third goal and like usual got beat glove high being too deep in his net 
 Good goalies make hard saves look easy. Markstrom makes every shot look like a snipe because he can't play his angles properly.
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I don't care what the advanced metrics say.  I'm talking about this game and this game alone.
 
None of the goals he let in were bad goals.  The first one was a deflection and the last two were good shots.  Atleast the second goal on Martin was bad.  Markstrom made some big saves in the third that helped get the game to OT.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:27 PM | #142 |  
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					Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates  Can we trade Huberdeau or has his contract destroyed thar option?I know it's hignsight but not signing him and trading him at the deadline was the move.
 This team is done for years.
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Huberdeau is probably one of, if not the most unmovable players in the league right now.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:27 PM | #143 |  
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					Originally Posted by Enoch Root  I'm an optimist.
 This team is far more talented than they have been showing so far
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We’re 30 games in…
 
Who’s going to score our goals?
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:27 PM | #144 |  
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					Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts  $100
 To charity
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Flames are 7 points and have 7 teams between them and a bottom 5 spot. 
 
So unless they miss the playoffs and get extremely lucky and win a lottery, you just lost $100.
 
0.5% chance they fall down the standings that much.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:28 PM | #145 |  
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					Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG  I honestly question how anyone can be an optimist at this point?  Dino7c for example.
 What have you seen or do you see in this team that makes you think they can turn it around?
 
 We simply aren’t skilled enough in an era where skill rules the game.
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People are hoping a repeat of the Kings where you sneak into eight and then go on a run. Of course we don’t have a Kopitar, Doughty or Quick but don’t let that get in the way of a good narrative. My biggest issue with this (other than this really just doesn’t happen enough to bank on it) is I get no sign here that the team has bought into Sutter.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:28 PM | #146 |  
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					Originally Posted by Enoch Root  I'm an optimist.
 This team is far more talented than they have been showing so far
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Unquestionably true. But being the biggest underachievers in the nhl this year provides little solace.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:29 PM | #147 |  
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			Not sure why you wouldn’t start auditioning Zary and Pelletier if there’s a way to cycle them through the lineup.
 Not sure what you have to lose at this point.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:29 PM | #148 |  
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					Originally Posted by Ashasx  Huberdeau is probably one of, if not the most unmovable players in the league right now. |  
Oh yes. He is an albatross at the moment.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:29 PM | #149 |  
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					Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN  Flames are 7 points and have 7 teams between them and a bottom 5 spot. 
 So unless they miss the playoffs and get extremely lucky and win a lottery, you just lost $100.
 
 0.5% chance they fall down the standings that much.
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“Lost” $100. You say that like they’re not totally gonna Welch on that bet to “charity”.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:29 PM | #150 |  
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					Originally Posted by PepsiFree  Costs nothing to be an optimist and it’s more fun. No sense in watching the games and following the team if it isn’t fun. |  
So what you’re saying is you’ll stay optimistic despite the evidence showing we’re not good?  I’m genuinely curious how you can REALISTICALLY be optimistic.  What are the signs that we can be good?
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:29 PM | #151 |  
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			We have talent but the mix of forwards feels off. Too many players that are more likely to miss the net than score a timely goal.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:30 PM | #152 |  
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					Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates  This team is done for years. |  
For years? I love this place.  
 
Not even 30 games in, waking up a point out of a playoff spot tomorrow morning and they're "done for years".
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:30 PM | #153 |  
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					Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger  Unquestionably true. But being the biggest underachievers in the nhl this year provides little solace. |  
something to build on, right?
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:31 PM | #154 |  
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					Originally Posted by Kovaz  If the top line was any good offensively, this team has easily 5 more wins this season. 30 games into the season, we've scored 3 goals with Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli on the ice. Forget the goalies, forget special teams - this is the biggest issue with the team. |  
Yep. Hard to win when your top guys aren't scoring. 
 
The answers have to come from within that locker room.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:31 PM | #155 |  
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			God No, post game show talking about adding a player. Please God no.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:31 PM | #156 |  
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			Legit, who’s everyone’s favourite flame right now? I can’t name anyone lol.
		 
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:31 PM | #157 |  
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			The optimist's case is Hubredeau finding chemistry with someone and a legitimate first line pops out of no where. In that case the team's strengths (center and defensive depth) will make them a very competitive team.  Right now you're really relying on two lines to score 5 on 5 and hoping that Hubredeau contributes on the powerplay.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:32 PM | #158 |  
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					Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN  For years? I love this place.  
 Not even 30 games in, waking up a point out of a playoff spot tomorrow morning and they're "done for years".
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It’s almost as if he’s predicting our future.  Almost as if he knows who will be signed for the next few years with large cap hits.  Like contracts or something.
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:34 PM | #159 |  
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					Originally Posted by Vedder  The optimist's case is Hubredeau finding chemistry with someone and a legitimate first line pops out of no where. In that case the team's strengths (center and defensive depth) will make them a very competitive team.  Right now you're really relying on two lines to score 5 on 5 and hoping that Hubredeau contributes on the powerplay. |  
You know his chemistry is sitting on the… Wrangler’s…
		 
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		|  12-14-2022, 11:34 PM | #160 |  
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			The sad thing is I’m really worried about our future, both short term and long. 
 Those contracts Tre signed are unconscionable. See Blacks Law Dictionary.
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