[PGT] Flames lose to Habs 2-1 (OTL)

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Since basic logic is severely lacking here, let me break it down it real slow for you guys:

On Feb 14th, 2022, Calgary traded Heineman, Tyler Pitlick and a 2022 1st rounder for Toffoli.

On Aug 18th, 2022, Calgary traded Monahan and a 1st rounder for diddly squat.

When you simply add up those 2 transactions you get:

Monahan (this season) + Heineman + Pitlick (last season) + 2 1st rounders for Toffoli (last year + this)

Yes Toffoli's cap hit this year is $2.125M less than Monny's.

All in all it's fantastic business by the Habs who clearly CRUSH these trades from all accounts except for the majority of CP posters it seems.

But then again i wouldn't expect much different from this board who defended the Hamonic trade for years.

I think in your rundown you forgot we got Kadri.

[home_sweet_dome]

Turn your Flames goggles off and look at it from Montreal's perspective. They made 2 trades with the Flames in the same year. Net result for them is:

Monahan + Heineman + 2 1sts in, Toffoli out.

Monahan's contract has a cap hit that is $$2.125M more than Toffoli's.

Kadri isn't part of the equation for them and frankly the $2.125M cap hit doesn't come close to covering Kadri's cap hit anyways.

They took advantage of a GM overpaying for Toffoli in the 1st trade and desperately trying to create cap space for a free agent signing on the 2nd one and made out like bandits.

Heck Toffoli's only got 3 more points than Monny this year, let alone the 2 1st rounders!!

Whether you consider it as 2 separate wins or 1 combined massive win it really doesn't matter, huge W for them either way.

Again if the Flames did that you'd all call it a massive win.

Anyways there's no point trying to drill this simple logic into you guys anymore so i'm gonna drop it.

Sometimes i think the Flames fan base and inept organization really do deserve each other.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

huberdeau had our goal and another in the shootout

why do we have a problem with huberdeau?

Huberdeau has improved a ton over the last month. He’s not the problem. Goaltending is not the problem.

Consistency and secondary scoring is the problem.

Every second game give a f@&k level as well. Which is the most surprising one.

[TheScorpion]

The Toffoli trade wasn't close to being an overpay. Jeez guys what is going on.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Toffoli trade wasn't close to being an overpay. Jeez guys what is going on.

Frustrated Fans. They were sold a Miata in Corvette clothing (Team has underperformed expectations) .

[Burning Beard]

If Weegar is sick you can bet more on the team are. I was just sick and hell half the people I know are sick.

[dino7c]

Flames have one more road trip East and its not until late February
They haven't played the bottom 3 teams in their division yet...they have to play the games but the schedule sets up nicely for them.

4-2-2 since the 6 game roadie which was statistically the end of the "hardest schedule"

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Turn your Flames goggles off and look at it from Montreal's perspective. They made 2 trades with the Flames in the same year. Net result for them is:

Monahan + Heineman + 2 1sts in, Toffoli out.

Monahan's contract has a cap hit that is $$2.125M more than Toffoli's.

Kadri isn't part of the equation for them and frankly the $2.125M cap hit doesn't come close to covering Kadri's cap hit anyways.

They took advantage of a GM overpaying for Toffoli in the 1st trade and desperately trying to create cap space for a free agent signing on the 2nd one and made out like bandits.

Heck Toffoli's only got 3 more points than Monny this year, let alone the 2 1st rounders!!

Whether you consider it as 2 separate wins or 1 combined massive win it really doesn't matter, huge W for them either way.

Again if the Flames did that you'd all call it a massive win.

Anyways there's no point trying to drill this simple logic into you guys anymore so i'm gonna drop it.

Sometimes i think the Flames fan base and inept organization really do deserve each other.

Right, that’s how you evaluate it from Montreal’s side. Anyone with half a brain knows that, from the Flames side, the evaluation includes Kadri.

The Monahan trade was great for Montreal, they gave up nothing for a 1st and Monahan. It was also great for the Flames, they gave up a 1st and Monahan for Kadri.

The reason why you’re struggling is not because you’re intellectually above the average Flames fan, it’s because your weird reasoning is a step below, so it’s difficult for people to dumb themselves down enough to understand what convoluted, irrelevant point you’re trying to make.

If you don’t think of yourself as a Flames fan, quit wasting your time here. You’re not adding anything.

[dino7c]

The loser in the Monahan trade are teams like Arizona who wouldn't do it

Flames and Montreal got what they wanted

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Since basic logic is severely lacking here, let me break it down it real slow for you guys:

On Feb 14th, 2022, Calgary traded Heineman, Tyler Pitlick and a 2022 1st rounder for Toffoli.

On Aug 18th, 2022, Calgary traded Monahan and a 1st rounder for diddly squat.

When you simply add up those 2 transactions you get:

Monahan (this season) + Heineman + Pitlick (last season) + 2 1st rounders for Toffoli (last year + this)

Yes Toffoli's cap hit this year is $2.125M less than Monny's.

All in all it's fantastic business by the Habs who clearly CRUSH these trades from all accounts except for the majority of CP posters it seems.

But then again i wouldn't expect much different from this board who defended the Hamonic trade for years.

A LATE first rounder in 2022.

The other first rounder is not until 2025.

The Flames are in their contention window now, and Toffoli is playing a very important role on this team.

Monahan was coming off major surgeries and there was no way of knowing how effective he would be, or if he would even be reliable health-wise.

It doesn't look like Heineman is going to pan out.

Pitlick was terrible and the Flames had to offload him.

And yes the removal of Monahan's cap hit from the books is directly what allowed the Flames to sign Kadri. No trade, no Kadri. There's no way around it. The two are directly linked.

So no, there was no "fleecing" here. And for you to suggest that there was "cap mismanagement" beforehand is just as ludicrous. Have you seen the sweetheart deals of Elias Lindholm and Rasmus Andersson? (and others)

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by dino7c

LA and Seattle have had dream starts and are slightly ahead of the Flames... Calgary has two in hand on the Kings. Oilers are only a couple points up too

Division spots are there for the taking

Calgary still hasn't even played the bottom 3 teams in their division

And a month ago it was Calgary hasn't played teams like Montreal and Columbus. People need to open their eyes. The first seven games of the season were an aberration. This is not a playoff team.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I just can't believe the Flames gave up Gilmour and Toffoli was all they got back.

Wow, deep man. Deep. Nice.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

did we get punished again for Darryl indirectly saying the refs play to the home team in Toronto?

Possibly. Markovic was one of the #TwoBlindMice in Toronto. Thought it was a bit of a slap to Darryl to have him there tonight after that outstanding performance the game before.

No fine...but here's one of the Refs from the last game just for fun.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Frustrated Fans. They were sold a Miata in Corvette clothing.

Where are you getting a corvette for 4.8.

You were getting a 25 goal/50 point guy for less than 5 million bucks. He’s over delivering. He’s on pace for 30 goals. What weee you expecting?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

And a month ago it was Calgary hasn't played teams like Montreal and Columbus. People need to open their eyes. The first seven games of the season were an aberration. This is not a playoff team.

109 point pace over the last 6 games.

[GranteedEV]

I hate to be "that" armchair coach but at what point is Darryl Sutter going to realize that Huberdeau and Toffoli make each other worse 5v5? Is the goal to hope to win 1-0 on PP goals? Because this line makes our team easy to defend and it trickles down.

Seriously, Huberdeau has shown better chemistry with Coleman. Toffoli has shown better chemistry with Ruzicka.

Sutter is trying his hardest to square peg a round hole. Reminds me of the First Line Brett Ritchie experiment.

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Sitting a point out a playoff spot. 4 points out of P3 with two games in hand.

This place acts like they’re in Anaheim/Chicago territory.

Markstrom is back. Be excited about that.

I wish they were, we might have something to look forward to.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

And a month ago it was Calgary hasn't played teams like Montreal and Columbus. People need to open their eyes. The first seven games of the season were an aberration. This is not a playoff team.

You may have missed the 4-2-2 part

I will bet you they make the playoffs...nobody said they would beat every bad team every game

4 points out of 2nd in the division after 29 games left and the easiest schedule in the NHL remaining...seems like an odd time to throw in the towel because of a SO loss missing 3 top players

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Contenders aren’t always contenders from Game 1 to Game 82.

Things take time. There’s a lot of that to go.

I have a feeling we’ll be saying that in game 81

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Turn your Flames goggles off and look at it from Montreal's perspective. They made 2 trades with the Flames in the same year. Net result for them is:

Monahan + Heineman + 2 1sts in, Toffoli out.

Monahan's contract has a cap hit that is $$2.125M more than Toffoli's.

Kadri isn't part of the equation for them and frankly the $2.125M cap hit doesn't come close to covering Kadri's cap hit anyways.

They took advantage of a GM overpaying for Toffoli in the 1st trade and desperately trying to create cap space for a free agent signing on the 2nd one and made out like bandits.

Heck Toffoli's only got 3 more points than Monny this year, let alone the 2 1st rounders!!

Whether you consider it as 2 separate wins or 1 combined massive win it really doesn't matter, huge W for them either way.

Again if the Flames did that you'd all call it a massive win.

Anyways there's no point trying to drill this simple logic into you guys anymore so i'm gonna drop it.

Sometimes i think the Flames fan base and inept organization really do deserve each other.

If I say you’re right will you stop?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Turn your Flames goggles off and look at it from Montreal's perspective. They made 2 trades with the Flames in the same year. Net result for them is:

Monahan + Heineman + 2 1sts in, Toffoli out.

Monahan's contract has a cap hit that is $$2.125M more than Toffoli's.

Kadri isn't part of the equation for them and frankly the $2.125M cap hit doesn't come close to covering Kadri's cap hit anyways.

They took advantage of a GM overpaying for Toffoli in the 1st trade and desperately trying to create cap space for a free agent signing on the 2nd one and made out like bandits.

Heck Toffoli's only got 3 more points than Monny this year, let alone the 2 1st rounders!!

Whether you consider it as 2 separate wins or 1 combined massive win it really doesn't matter, huge W for them either way.

Again if the Flames did that you'd all call it a massive win.

Anyways there's no point trying to drill this simple logic into you guys anymore so i'm gonna drop it.

Sometimes i think the Flames fan base and inept organization really do deserve each other.

So, how good is Filip Mesar going to be? I think you owe us a comprehensive analysis to support your claim of Montreal ‘fleecing’ the Flames.

Toffoli had over two full years left on his contract when the deal was made at a very reasonable cap hit with no trade protection moving forward as well. You’re basing you argument on what the Flames gave up in terms of assets and refuse to acknowledge the value in the assets they acquired. If the bottom falls out from the Flames this year, I wouldn’t be surprised if they could get a similar package for Toffoli to the one the gave up. Hell, depending on the market, they could maybe even get a better package. Toffoli has been good and I think there would be a few teams who would have strong interest.

You’re not making very good arguments. Mix in your refusal to acknowledge moving Monahan allowed the Flames to sign Kadri is wilfully obtuse.