[PGT] Flames lose to Leafs 5-4 (OTL)

[Lanny_McDonald]

Huberdeau is a square peg in Sutter's A-hole dump and chase game. It's easy to make a skill player look bad when you make him play a game he's not accustomed to nor good at playing. Bump and grind hockey doesn't work for a skilled player like Huberdeau. Give him an up-tempo style and he's going to revert back to himself. It's like trying to get Lucic to play a skilled game. It's useless and does not set the player up for success.

[sonq]

Flames fans thinking they are better than Oilers fans (not true)

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Huberdeau is a square peg in Sutter's A-hole dump and chase game. It's easy to make a skill player look bad when you make him play a game he's not accustomed to nor good at playing. Bump and grind hockey doesn't work for a skilled player like Huberdeau. Give him an up-tempo style and he's going to revert back to himself. It's like trying to get Lucic to play a skilled game. It's useless and does not set the player up for success.

This makes perfect sense. I mean gaudreau and lindholm were an absolute tire fire last year right? Right?

[sonq]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Huberdeau came into a situation where fans were very eager to cheer for him and had loads of positive enthusiasm for him as a Flame. Many were in favour of even making him team captain to start the season. Fans were also pretty happy about his contract when he signed it. We're just getting unhappy now because performance is so far off of expectations, and the stars we lost to other teams are making it pretty hard to ignore that it's possible to walk onto a new team and have immediate impact without needing a half-season warmup.

He had the red carpet rolled out to him by the organization and the fans. He had plenty of support to pump his confidence up. He just hasn't turned up as expected yet. Everyone is still hoping that he will. Nobody is cheering for him to bomb.

I understand that and I agree with you. I wonder if he is not mentally that tough. First he got traded and then he was excpected to save this franchise. Maybe if he was a no-one and didnt have huge expectations from fans and the media, maybe he would be tearing it rn

[Strange Brew]

Tomorrow's game kind of feels important. This team doesn't need a losing streak.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Huberdeau is a square peg in Sutter's A-hole dump and chase game. It's easy to make a skill player look bad when you make him play a game he's not accustomed to nor good at playing. Bump and grind hockey doesn't work for a skilled player like Huberdeau. Give him an up-tempo style and he's going to revert back to himself. It's like trying to get Lucic to play a skilled game. It's useless and does not set the player up for success.

Johnny thrived under Sutter, and did so playing a total skill game with no hitting and grinding, just stick checking, so it's demonstrated that a highly skilled player can thrive under Sutter playing that game. Huberdeau just hasn't shown that level of skill yet while playing for the Flames. He has to bring the skills to make an impact.

[Kasi]

Different sort of players. Gaudreau is a very very good pick carrier. So he could play east/west effectively while being defensively responsible. Huberdeau is not a great puck carrier. He depends more on a more chaotic style which just doesn’t jive with Sutters playstyle. I think Huberdeau is actually trying very hard to play like Sutter wants but he’s just not that good at it yet.

[CFO]

Huberdeau is essentially ppg player over last 15 games and a plus player. Yet this is considered a non productive stretch.

If the guy keeps it up another level - watch out.

[Bingo]

Sutter's style hasn't changed ... the team is missing game breaking transition players. They don't have many and not a single player on the top line is one of them.

Backlund
Andersson
Dube lately

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Huberdeau is a square peg in Sutter's A-hole dump and chase game. It's easy to make a skill player look bad when you make him play a game he's not accustomed to nor good at playing. Bump and grind hockey doesn't work for a skilled player like Huberdeau. Give him an up-tempo style and he's going to revert back to himself. It's like trying to get Lucic to play a skilled game. It's useless and does not set the player up for success.

Jesus, we could bring up an exact quote from you with names replaced for the first 30 games of Gaudreau and Tkachuk under Sutter.

[Kovaz]

I'd argue the real problem is Huberdeau and Toffoli are a horrible fit together. Neither is particularly fast, both are at their best as the third forward in. Every time Huberdeau gets the puck in the neutral zone he's looking to spring someone on a fast counterattack and that just isn't Toffoli's game. The play Hanifin made on the first goal is exactly what Huberdeau needs from his linemates - someone to skate into space before the puck gets there and he'll find them.


Put Huberdeau with someone fast on the other wing like Dube and they'll start putting up points in bunches IMO.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Huberdeau is a square peg in Sutter's A-hole dump and chase game. It's easy to make a skill player look bad when you make him play a game he's not accustomed to nor good at playing. Bump and grind hockey doesn't work for a skilled player like Huberdeau. Give him an up-tempo style and he's going to revert back to himself. It's like trying to get Lucic to play a skilled game. It's useless and does not set the player up for success.

Considering Sutter preaches a puck possession game I don't think that argument holds water. Ward was the one who employed a complete dump and chase system.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Tomorrow's game kind of feels important. This team doesn't need a losing streak.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Flames have done well lately against (a seemingly inferior to them) Habs team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Flames have done well lately against (a seemingly inferior to them) Habs team.

If you look at last season and the first third of this season the teams that they have struggled against the most when it comes to driving play is

1. Carolina
2. Toronto
3. Tampa
4. Minnesota
5. Winnipeg

Teams where they've run the show

1. St. Louis
2. Vancouver
3. Columbus
4. Chicago
5. Arizona

10. Montreal

Just not getting the results, but out playing Montreal five on five

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sutter's style hasn't changed ... the team is missing game breaking transition players. They don't have many and not a single player on the top line is one of them.

Backlund
Andersson
Dube lately

Yeah they are missing that little guy
Nobody can carry the puck now

I laughed every time I see Toffoli and Huberdeau tried. Lindholm is not much better if he even tries

[Burning Beard]

Still can't believe Huberdeau took that penalty right off the draw in OT. What a knucklehead.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Won’t talk about penalties but how did Hanifin’s second goal count? Continuous play? What about the goal that was waived off against Columbus because the whistle had gone?

I’m sure there’s an explanation for it but it would be nice to have some consistency for stuff like that.

Also, I’m glad Phillips looked okay and that Lucic was scratched; Looch is no longer an every day player so he’s going to have to learn how to bring energy and physicality whenever he gets injected into the lineup.

There was consistency: the "continuous play" rule (if I understand it correctly) requires that IF the whistle is blown (or intention to blow) and IF the puck goes into the net without any further assistance...it's a goal. Last night's refs obviously did not know that rule and the Situation Room called it.

In Columbus, supposedly after the whistle (except the one I heard was after the play!) there was shoving and gloving and whatever else...so not "continuous play".

The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals… include situations whereby the Referee stops play or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering the net at the end of a continuous play).
– Rule 38.4 (ix)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

There was consistency: the "continuous play" rule (if I understand it correctly) requires that IF the whistle is blown (or intention to blow) and IF the puck goes into the net without any further assistance...it's a goal. Last night's refs obviously did not know that rule and the Situation Room called it.

In Columbus, supposedly after the whistle (except the one I heard was after the play!) there was shoving and gloving and whatever else...so not "continuous play".

The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals… include situations whereby the Referee stops play or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering the net at the end of a continuous play).
– Rule 38.4 (ix)

Great explanation.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CFO

Huberdeau is essentially ppg player over last 15 games and a plus player. Yet this is considered a non productive stretch.

If the guy keeps it up another level - watch out.

A 10M guy needs to dominate and be a game breaker. Not just getting a point off the PP or random points.

I don’t remember he has done it even once this year

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Still can't believe Huberdeau took that penalty right off the draw in OT. What a knucklehead.

His stick was barely above his waist the guy was bent over...pretty unfortunate. Flames players were being mauled in the late stages of the third