[PGT] Flames 1 - Blue Jackets 3

[Kasi]

Yeah a Robertson type emergence would do wonders for the team. Just don’t see that type of player here or that type of opportunity being given here.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The one thing I would say though is this isn't a Calgary thing ... It's the middle third response of all fan bases.

You're not having a great season, you're not out of it ... the team can be great so the fan base wonders why they're not great all the time.

But in a hockey market you think your team and your situation is unique.

It isn't.

For sure. But in a conference that has ranged in size from 14 to 16 teams, we are getting close to 18 seasons of not making the final 2. And the two times we made the final 4, we weren't competitive.

So as fans you start to wonder why exactly it's not happening.

[Shazam]

They were very slow. Just mud out there.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Great point, although arguably we kind of wasted Gaudreau and Tkachuk's cheap years. But that is water under the bridge.

You get the feeling that this team needs a young star to emerge from somewhere. Someone who can become their best player and leader, which could really change everything. Because maybe some of the players you mention who are signed long term could play better in a more supporting role.

Totally agree. Like Kasi said, having a Robertson or Tage Thompson kind of breakout from somebody is probably what we need, but it’s hard to see that from anyone playing on the roster right now. Maybe from Pelletier or Zary if we’re lucky.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Shazam

They were very slow. Just mud out there.

They were out late at Gadreaus the night before. Who also played like trash.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Funny that's not what I saw last night.

I saw a team that over extended themselves trying to create something rather than have the game come to them and let their systems take them where they want to go.

So not an effort issue.

Perhaps not buying in because they abandoned their systems too often trying to create something, but certainly not tuning out the coach in a traditional way.

Mental strength was at zero last night. They played like children.

Yes they did because they aren't buying in to the system. It's been an issue all season. I never said it was an effort situation. They are trying to follow the system but I don't see a team that's confident in what they are doing. I also see a coach that's overly rigid in his ways and is basically doing it his way win or lose and I think a head coach has to make concessions to win.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Yeah a Robertson type emergence would do wonders for the team. Just don’t see that type of player here or that type of opportunity being given here.

When have the Flames blocked the path of a young dominant player that was ready? Honestly ... you're going to walk out this constant narrative have an example or two.

Bennett shoulder, Junior than NHL in first season.
Tkachuk NHL first season.
Monahan NHL first season.

Dube is up
Mangiapane is up

Jankowski was promoted.

Gaudreau never saw the farm.

Just give it a rest.

Bitch and moan about a lack of picks if you want, for trusting in a core that clearly shouldn't have been trusted in. But enough with the baseless narrative.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes they did because they aren't buying in to the system. It's been an issue all season. I never said it was an effort situation. They are trying to follow the system but I don't see a team that's confident in what they are doing. I also see a coach that's overly rigid in his ways and is basically doing it his way win or lose and I think a head coach has to make concessions to win.

If they want to play for a coach that doesn't believe in support, F3 and grey zones they should probably head straight to beer league!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

The Phaneuf trade isn’t even in the same stratosphere as the Gilmour trade. At least we got some serviceable years out of Matt Stajan. We got nothing in that Gilmour deal!!

Marc Savard trade says hi

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Marc Savard trade says hi

Joey Mullen has entered the chat.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The Phaneuf trade is obviously #1. Only a complete imbecile would even suggest the Tkachuk trade was a bad one. The other option was lose him for nothing.

I was doing cartwheels when Tre carried off that trade.

With increasing hindsight, it is becoming possible that we’d have been better off getting nothing for Tkachuk. That mighty cap hit could be a millstone round our necks for a long time.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Bingo

When have the Flames blocked the path of a young dominant player that was ready? Honestly ... you're going to walk out this constant narrative have an example or two.

Bennett shoulder, Junior than NHL in first season.
Tkachuk NHL first season.
Monahan NHL first season.

Dube is up
Mangiapane is up

Jankowski was promoted.

Gaudreau never saw the farm.

Just give it a rest.

Bitch and moan about a lack of picks if you want, for trusting in a core that clearly shouldn't have been trusted in. But enough with the baseless narrative.

Since we’re speaking of Robertson. Second round pick. Plays one season in the AHL putting up 47 points in 60 games. Gets a cup of coffee at end of season. Next season is fulltime nhl player and never goes back to the minors. Pelletier first round pick. Gets 62 points in 66 games. Second season still in the AHL. Maybe he makes the team next year.

And only team in the NHL not to promote any of their post 2018 draft picks. Both GM and coach have a preference for playing or acquiring vet forwards and playing them instead of their draft picks. The prime of a players career is younger and younger these days and they’re wasting that time in the AHL.

And most of my issues right now are with the Sutter led Flames. Peters for some reason was able to get a few players promoted and into the lineup which I’m grateful for despite all the other bad he did.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

It sucks but Lucic has really just been a liability out there. Other teams probably salivate at the notion of easily dancing around him or poking the puck away from him.

He’s not the only problem but he’s the low hanging fruit that should be addressed.

I don’t get why Lucic’s name is being mentioned so much in this game. Sure he wasn’t great, but which forward was last night? Looch played 5 minutes. He definitely was not the reason the team lost against Columbus. The problem was the other guys who played a lot yesterday and did nothing with their ice time.

It was pretty much a special teams battle because of all the penalties, so the PP needed to execute. This was not a good PK or an elite goaltender they were up against. It was just a sad effort, the top players didn’t show up and the team got exactly what they deserved, a big fat L.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

I was doing cartwheels when Tre carried off that trade.

With increasing hindsight, it is becoming possible that we’d have been better off getting nothing for Tkachuk. That mighty cap hit could be a millstone round our necks for a long time.

It was a good trade, even in retrospect. Whether or not they should have been signed long-term before even seeing how they played with the new team is more questionable, but that trade was still great under the circumstances.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by jg13

he had 4 years in a row that were over a PPG, and yes the offence isnt there but i saw a stat that showed the 10/28/71 line was second in the league in 5 on 5 goals against during the broadcast.

Again Sutter teaching defence first which was definitely Huberdeaus weak point in Florida.

He has learned / is learning defence at the expense of his ridiculous offence output. It's tough for fans right now but you have to expect both will come eventually the way they did with Gaudreau. Huberdeau is too talented.

3rd best per 60 xGA against per money puck (over 75min). By contrast mang-Kadri-Dube is the 83rd best.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes they did because they aren't buying in to the system. It's been an issue all season. I never said it was an effort situation. They are trying to follow the system but I don't see a team that's confident in what they are doing. I also see a coach that's overly rigid in his ways and is basically doing it his way win or lose and I think a head coach has to make concessions to win.

Who isn’t buying into the system right now? Most of the team from last year are still here.

In my opinion, it’s the effort from night to night that’s been very hit or miss. But that’s the NHL, sometimes you don’t play a full 60 minutes for 82 straight games. But what last year’s team had that the current team doesn’t is an elite top line that could put other teams away even when the rest of the team wasn’t at their best. 13-28-19 absolutely dummied teams and singlehandedly won them games with 4-5 goal games. No current line right now has the capability to do that.

Where are the game breakers this season? Nobody has stepped up. This team has to manufacture goals and work so hard to win tight games. They have to score by committee which is hard to do when you don’t know which line is going to show up on any given night, it’s like a roll of the dice.

Nothing comes easy for this team because they’re just not good enough. This roster is not good enough. I feel like it’s going to be like this all season. Win some close games, lose some close games, beat some good teams, lose to some bad teams, can’t score some nights, score enough in others. This is a bubble playoff team.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Joey Mullen has entered the chat.

Giguere can play net on the team we gave away for peanuts

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Yeah a Robertson type emergence would do wonders for the team. Just don’t see that type of player here or that type of opportunity being given here.

Andrew Mangiapane was supposed to be that guy.

Was really hoping he would prove me wrong but he just isn't a top tier player.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

That’s how I feel. I actually can’t even sit through a whole game this season.. it’s just bland and boring.

I think having no attachment to the core is a big part of it too.

With Johnny and Tkachuk, we watched them go from draft to superstars over time and had the excitement/attachment that builds through all of that.
Their journey and yours as a fan are connected.

It's very hard to have any connection to the current "star players"; at least not yet and definitely not anytime soon with the way they play.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Andrew Mangiapane was supposed to be that guy.

Was really hoping he would prove me wrong but he just isn't a top tier player.

Maybe Pelletier or Zary or Coronato is but we’ll have to see when they get a chance.