Gudbranson has had just a dreadful start with Columbus. The Blue Jackets have been outshot 257–171 and outscored 21–13 with him on the ice at 5v5 this year. And he's actually been getting saves, too ... he's just been unable to suppress anything.
One of the worst contracts in the league from the moment it was signed. Good for him getting the money but I'm not sure what CBJ was thinking.
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I guess we will...you are the one calling it after 20 some games based only on points
If you took Weegar and Huberdeau out of the Flames lineup and added Tkachuk I 100% think they would be worse right now
Panthers had a presidents trophy winning team and decided to dismantle it because they lost in the 2nd round to Tampa, we will see how that works out for them. We are also ignoring the other two things they gave up.
Panthers had to dismantle it, as they couldn't afford to keep both Huberdeau and Weegar due to cap issues ( Bobo doesn't help).
Posters here criticized the trade from the Panthers perspective, but they were backed into a corner just like the Flames. Each team got what they wanted out of the trade.
The Panthers retooled a bit with a younger, better player signed to a manageable contract. They did what they could with two expiring contracts they couldn't afford and likely didn't want to go many years with.
The Flames extended their contention window, or so we hope.
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Gaudreau - No playoffs
Tkachuk - No playoffs
Gudbrdadson - No playoffs
Monahan - No playoffs
Yeah, okay. Fine by me.
I'm not hung up on which teams won or lost trades or who's going to the playoffs and who isn't. As far as those former Flames go, I'm just interested in following players who were a big part of the team for many years.
I'm cheering for Monahan, Gio, Brodie and Bennett to have success. I still enjoy watching Johnny play, and although I'm not a Tkachuk fan I'm still curious to follow how he does.
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Glad to see Gio still thriving even if it’s somewhere else. Sometimes felt like I was alone on an island defending him here.
Like I’ve said a zillion times here before, Gio’s going to be good for a long time because of hockey IQ and work ethic. Sure, his mobility has seen better days, but his stick checking, instincts and ability to read the game is still at an elite level.
Too bad the Flames aren’t reaping the benefits of the incredible value he’s bringing. There’s no doubt in my mind Gio would’ve taken league minimum to stay here and help the team try to win.
There was a reason why the trade was made. many here thought the Flames had committed grand larceny. They failed to understand the value of a young star playing his prime years vs. paying huge amounts on many non-prime years.
Smuggest guy on this board lol. I don't think many people missed that the Flames got older. It was a move to extend the window by 4 years or so. Most perople were hyped because there were limited trading partners and a tight time frame to do it. You can argue if the Flames should have signed Huberdeau and Weegar or flipped them but I can't see St. Louis or Carolina beating the return.
Yeah I think if he’s here now he’s likely what top four d in quality behind Tanev, Weegar and Anderson. And on advanced metrics he might be even higher and at a minimal cost.
I disagree with that. I think he’s still a better defender than Hanafin or Zadorov. I mean I like those guys fine I just think even now Gio is just a better player. I’d probably trust him more than Anderson too.
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This should probably go in the trade rumors thread after the season but I wonder if the Flames could pull off a similar move as Florida did with Tkachuk next year should they? Lindholm and Hanifin will be entering the last year of their 6 year sweetheart contracts and will be 29 and 27 when they expire. Both are likely in line for deals in the 8x8 range and likely could cost the same as the combined 16.75M the Flames will pay Huberdeau and Weegar.
Would you rather the Flames sign those guys to 8x8 type deals or if they could would you trade them, a pick and a prospect for a 24-25 year old top end player?
Florida took 2 guys they either had to give 8 year deals to next summer or let walk for nothing, an average prospect and a future protected 1st for a 24 year old franchise winger.
This should probably go in the trade rumors thread after the season but I wonder if the Flames could pull off a similar move as Florida did with Tkachuk next year should they? Lindholm and Hanifin will be entering the last year of their 6 year sweetheart contracts and will be 29 and 27 when they expire. Both are likely in line for deals in the 8x8 range and likely could cost the same as the combined 16.75M the Flames will pay Huberdeau and Weegar.
Would you rather the Flames sign those guys to 8x8 type deals or if they could would you trade them, a pick and a prospect for a 24-25 year old top end player?
Florida took 2 guys they either had to give 8 year deals to next summer or let walk for nothing, an average prospect and a future protected 1st for a 24 year old franchise winger.
I'm not advanced enough at stats to comment much on Hanifin, but I'm scared of what this team looks like without Lindholm.
This should probably go in the trade rumors thread after the season but I wonder if the Flames could pull off a similar move as Florida did with Tkachuk next year should they? Lindholm and Hanifin will be entering the last year of their 6 year sweetheart contracts and will be 29 and 27 when they expire. Both are likely in line for deals in the 8x8 range and likely could cost the same as the combined 16.75M the Flames will pay Huberdeau and Weegar.
Would you rather the Flames sign those guys to 8x8 type deals or if they could would you trade them, a pick and a prospect for a 24-25 year old top end player?
Florida took 2 guys they either had to give 8 year deals to next summer or let walk for nothing, an average prospect and a future protected 1st for a 24 year old franchise winger.
Depends if the goal is to win or be average for longer...Panthers were the best team in the NHL and should have ran it back IMO. How many teams have we seen own the regular season and then choke in the playoffs only to run it back and get over the hump. Tampa, Colorado, ect.
Sure they have Tkachuk playing as well as possible and likely as well as he ever will yet they are a bubble team with no first round picks for what 3 years? I highly doubt they get back to being a high end team anytime soon.
Depends if the goal is to win or be average for longer...Panthers were the best team in the NHL and should have ran it back IMO. How many teams have we seen own the regular season and then choke in the playoffs only to run it back and get over the hump. Tampa, Colorado, ect.
Sure they have Tkachuk playing as well as possible and likely as well as he ever will yet they are a bubble team with no first round picks for what 3 years? I highly doubt they get back to being a high end team anytime soon.
They are a bubble team now and so are the Flames. They also lost Ekblad for a large chunk of this season. Their biggest mistake wasn’t the Tkachuk trade it was the Chairot and Giroux deals that cost them 2 1sts and a young player in Tippett. They also lost Mason Marchment who was a solid contributor. They sit here on the bubble with Tkachuk (24), Barkov (27), Knight (21), Lundell (20), Reinhart (27) Bennett (26), Ekblad (27) as their core. Players that should get better over time.
Flames are already locked into 3 guys to huge money and term who are in their 30’s for the bulk of their deals. Coleman still has 4 years left over 30. Tanev, Backlund, Toffoli expire soon, Markstrom still with 2 years after this all will be in their early/mid 30’s
I am not saying they absolutely should shop Lindholm/Hanifin this summer but if this team doesn’t take a step forward I would be leery to lock up 2 more guys to massive money for their 30+ seasons nor would I want to walk them to free agency for nothing. No doubt both will want to be paid after being underpaid for the bulk of their deals, especially Lindholm who fired his agent early in this contract with the Flames
He would be #6 on our depth chart (7 if Kylington were here)
And if he were being played instead of Kylington, most here would be losing their #### over it
Love Gio, and I am happy that he is still putting in quality minutes, but let's not get carried away - the Flames' defense is just fine without him
Darryl loves Gio.
He called him the best dman on the team and then proceeded to play him up the line up above Tanev, Andersson, Hanifin and etc regularly earning 25-26 minutes per night.
I agree that the Flames D is doing just fine without Gio, but the extra cap savings would be a nice luxury to have.
I personally don't think Gio would have resigned at league minimum here like he did in TO. So it seems moot.
Even if he didn’t come in at league minimum, his cost would’ve come down drastically. At this point in Gio’s career, winning is everything and he knows that cap space can help a team win.
They are a bubble team now and so are the Flames. They also lost Ekblad for a large chunk of this season. Their biggest mistake wasn’t the Tkachuk trade it was the Chairot and Giroux deals that cost them 2 1sts and a young player in Tippett. They also lost Mason Marchment who was a solid contributor. They sit here on the bubble with Tkachuk (24), Barkov (27), Knight (21), Lundell (20), Reinhart (27) Bennett (26), Ekblad (27) as their core. Players that should get better over time.
Flames are already locked into 3 guys to huge money and term who are in their 30’s for the bulk of their deals. Coleman still has 4 years left over 30. Tanev, Backlund, Toffoli expire soon, Markstrom still with 2 years after this all will be in their early/mid 30’s
I am not saying they absolutely should shop Lindholm/Hanifin this summer but if this team doesn’t take a step forward I would be leery to lock up 2 more guys to massive money for their 30+ seasons nor would I want to walk them to free agency for nothing. No doubt both will want to be paid after being underpaid for the bulk of their deals, especially Lindholm who fired his agent early in this contract with the Flames
Flames are a divisional playoff team this year IMO...look at the two teams schedules so far
Also, FLAMES HAD NO CHOICE
They would have signed Tkachuk to and Gaudreau to 10.5x8 each
Florida make a big mistake IMO...they gave up on a cup window to be okay longer
It obviously costs more and is harder to sign players in Calgary than Florida
He called him the best dman on the team and then proceeded to play him up the line up above Tanev, Andersson, Hanifin and etc regularly earning 25-26 minutes per night.
I agree that the Flames D is doing just fine without Gio, but the extra cap savings would be a nice luxury to have.
when everyone was 2 years younger - and frankly, I thought Gio under-performed the role Sutter thew at him
I'd be happy to have Gio here at league minimum (or anything close to that), but let's not get carried away with the proclamations
