FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You guys are confusing qualification results with tournament results. Sure it was nice to win the OCHO but at some point Mexico and the US didn't really care about that. It's kind of like winning the Presidents Trophy in the NHL.

The World Cup is a beast and it takes getting used to. The US or Mexico, and even Costa Rica, no matter how poor they seem to be playing, have pedigree to get our of group stages, although Mexico won't get out this time after 7 times in a row.

Canada's midfield and defensive play was quite naive. I'm not sure they would have gotten out of any group, which is fine. The Brazil group was mentioned, no way Canada is getting a result against Switzerland or Serbia. Canada got the luckiest draw probably with how bad Belgium are.

This was an very experienced field, Qatar were the only debutants and Canada and Wales after so many years were also practically debutants.

I've watched Korea play in 10 consecutive world cups and they still can't get anywhere. They've only advanced twice, 2002 as hosts and 2010.

Pedigree means nothing...what does pedigree from 2-3 WCs ago (8-12 years) mean for today's rosters? These players have nothing to do with that. I hate FIFA rankings. Canada proved throughout qualification they were superior to Mexico and the US, but were placed in a tougher group than both. Iran and Wales were both so poor.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Pedigree means nothing...what does pedigree from 2-3 WCs ago (8-12 years) mean for today's rosters? These players have nothing to do with that. I hate FIFA rankings. Canada proved throughout qualification they were superior to Mexico and the US, but were placed in a tougher group than both. Iran and Wales were both so poor.

It means a lot. From the experience of former players who become coaches. From preparation, setting up training camps, setting up friendlies etc... The entire system you need to go to know. This world cup was weirder because it was in mid season.

We have the CSA so we'll probably piss all this away but other countries do it quite well.

The FIFA rankings actually make more sense than past draws where it was geographic. CONCACAF was in pot 4 every time no matter what. The US got screwed a lot.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Pedigree means nothing...what does pedigree from 2-3 WCs ago (8-12 years) mean for today's rosters? These players have nothing to do with that. I hate FIFA rankings. Canada proved throughout qualification they were superior to Mexico and the US, but were placed in a tougher group than both. Iran and Wales were both so poor.

I think pedigree matters. Teams that regularly qualify know what it takes to compete at this level and in short tournament formats. That institutional knowledge gets passed down from veterans to young players, and from outgoing and incoming operations staff.

This WC experience has been excellent for Canada and they will be better for it in 2026 and beyond.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think pedigree matters. Teams that regularly qualify know what it takes to compete at this level and in short tournament formats. That institutional knowledge gets passed down from veterans to young players, and from outgoing and incoming operations staff.

This WC experience has been excellent for Canada and they will be better for it in 2026 and beyond.

By this logic, older teams should be absolutely dominating. And yet that's not completely true in this Cup.

Pedigree helps a bit, but really it comes down to conditioning, chemistry, sharp management, and game experience with elite talent.

We are watching young players under 25 play extremely well throughout this tournament. Most teams have vets but they're not controlling the game.

Let's also not confuse pedigree with experience. Those are two different things.

[cam_wmh]

Yep, the Modric, & Ronaldo's, are the exception - not the rule.

[Bagor]

The BBC gushing over Bale's last WC game when he been essentially retired for about 5 years now.

[MillerTime GFG]

Yea…kids in football (or any sport these days) are making big impacts at younger ages. I even notice this in local soccer. Kids coming from youth to men’s don’t give a crap who you are. It’s different these days. They don’t care about pedigrees. The only pedigree that should matter (or at least weighted most heavily) should be how you did through qualification. Anything > 2 years is moot.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Yep, the Modric, & Ronaldo's, are the exception - not the rule.

I kind of hope Ronaldo keeps playing until Euro 2024.

Would be crazy for him to play in Euro 2004 and Euro 2024.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I kind of hope Ronaldo keeps playing until Euro 2024.

Would be crazy for him to play in Euro 2004 and Euro 2024.

His conditioning, and physique are incredible. If he can concede being a super-sub, I think he could.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Bagor

The BBC gushing over Bale's last WC game when he been essentially retired for about 5 years now.

Gotta get those tv license fees in wales

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

By this logic, older teams should be absolutely dominating. And yet that's not completely true in this Cup.

Pedigree helps a bit, but really it comes down to conditioning, chemistry, sharp management, and game experience with elite talent.

We are watching young players under 25 play extremely well throughout this tournament. Most teams have vets but they're not controlling the game.

Let's also not confuse pedigree with experience. Those are two different things.

Pedigree is as relevant as how strong the teams are

The big teams advance because they have better players, not because their country played in a world cup 12 years ago

Success at a world cup has nothing to do with whether your country was there before

[browna]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It guts me that a team that finished below us in the CONCACAF WC qualifying table go on to the Round of 16. But here we are.

Had the team known how poor Belgium would come out of the gates, or played them second, we'd be on the cusp of going through.

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

West germany v austria 1982

Known as the Disgrace of gijon

They knew both would advance with a 1 or 2 goal west german win because earlier game played by Algeria and Chile was finished, west germany went up by 1 early, rest of the game they basically passed the ball back and forth

Since then, always same time

Started 4 years earlier in 78 when Argentina had to win by 5 to go through in the semi final group and punt Brazil, and they did.

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Canada moving up the rankings would help with the draw somewhat.

Yeah Canada couldve moved into a different pot, but again, I think they were waiting for a strong Belgium attack that never arrived and had they not hesitated, they'd be just fine going into the last game.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Pedigree is as relevant as how strong the teams are

The big teams advance because they have better players, not because their country played in a world cup 12 years ago

Success at a world cup has nothing to do with whether your country was there before

It does for non European teams who don't get as many big games and can be overwhelmed.

The Americans were in a huge game today, must win and I think their experience as a country helped. Iran got physical, the ref let a lot go, the atmosphere was hostile and electric at times, and the field seems to be suffering from overuse. But the US has been there before, coaches can advise properly.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Iran got physical, the ref let a lot go, the atmosphere was hostile and electric at times, and the field seems to be suffering from overuse. But the US has been there before, coaches can advise properly.

Where do you get this stuff?

Iran was no more physical and probably less so than the Americans. The atmosphere bar a few horns was nothing extraordinary. The pitch was in great shape with no sign of cutting up

And the ref was excellent. Probably the best I've seen so far. So much that I'd put him down as a favourite for the later games provided Spain aren't there.

[SuperMatt18]

The US didn’t qualify in 2018, None of their team played in 2014, and their coaching staff had no World Cup experience.

Iran played in 2018 and if anything have more recent experience/success at the World Cup. Carlos Queiroz also a lot more international experience than the US manager .

The nations with “pedigree” tend to do better because they have deeper squads and are just better federations top to bottom with more money to spend as well. Not because of some magical past experience from players that didn’t play in those games.

Iran played Spain and Portugal in the last World Cup. Same scenario where a win against Portugal would have seen them advance. The US didn’t have any more big game experience here than Iran did.

[browna]

^ Agreed. Nations with "pedigree" are the resources they have, not simply at the MNT level, but to also provide a solid support system and organized youth system, that keeps the pipeline full of skilled, game ready, youth ever 4-8 years. That's not the case with this country and the mindset if the people trusted to run soccer in this country.

Canada has a couple great players and then everyone else that are decent and have found their way somewhere. And rinse and repeat going forward, given the lack of a decent committed national youth development program. CPL is better then nothing but if you spend more than 2 seasons before moving up somwewhrere, even MLS, and then from MLS somewhere else in a couple years, you're not going to amount to a national team player.

Also, if this Canadian team had US coach Berhalter, wouldnt have made this World Cup. US with its resources should be winning qualifying no question, but they too suffer from different but similarly distracting federation poltics and infighting that drags everything down.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Pedigree is as relevant as how strong the teams are

The big teams advance because they have better players, not because their country played in a world cup 12 years ago

Success at a world cup has nothing to do with whether your country was there before

So that this Canadian team has been successful in topping the concacaf table, scoring and hopefully getting some points Thursday helps future teams/players is garbage - that it won't inspire young players or provide some base to build from for 2026, for example?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The US didn’t qualify in 2018, None of their team played in 2014, and their coaching staff had no World Cup experience.

Iran played in 2018 and if anything have more recent experience/success at the World Cup. Carlos Queiroz also a lot more international experience than the US manager .

The nations with “pedigree” tend to do better because they have deeper squads and are just better federations top to bottom with more money to spend as well. Not because of some magical past experience from players that didn’t play in those games.

Iran played Spain and Portugal in the last World Cup. Same scenario where a win against Portugal would have seen them advance. The US didn’t have any more big game experience here than Iran did.

US has way more big game experience. Iran has never gotten out of the group stage. They are kind of chokers. The US has been there since 1990. They've had a quarterfinal against Germany and were robbed of a penalty at the end. Taken Ghana to extra time in Africa, taken Belgium to extra time. They led Brazil 2-0 in a Confederations Cup Final.

They pass all this experience down. I think that helped today.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

US has way more big game experience. Iran has never gotten out of the group stage. They are kind of chokers. The US has been there since 1990. They've had a quarterfinal against Germany and were robbed of a penalty at the end. Taken Ghana to extra time in Africa, taken Belgium to extra time. They led Brazil 2-0 in a Confederations Cup Final.

They pass all this experience down. I think that helped today.

There is no evidence of that.

I doubt these players playing in 2022 have even talked to any of the players that played in 2010 or 2014.

The US have been the better team all tournament. Iran was poor against England, and got lucky in extra time against Wales after a very late red.

US dominated Wales in the first half, to then have a poor second half, and were very strong against the England side that dominated Iran.

The US were just the better squad. If there were some players that played in 2018 on this team that played in some big games then maybe, but stuff from 8 or 12 years ago is irrelevant.

[Swift]

How do you get a job hosting TSN's World Cup coverage and not know how to pronounce the name of the French manager, a World Cup winning captain and one of the top players of his generation?

Dez Chomps? Good god.