[PGT] Pens defeat the Flames 2-1 in SO

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

*SIGH*

Clearly, this is difficult for you.

If you took the time to actually read my post, I said that it was a "pretty evenly played game," which is NOT the same thing as dead-even. Most of the time, there is a better team performance in every NHL game—even those that are very, very close. This was a game that the Flames were in from wire to wire: they played well enough to win, and did not get badly outplayed. It was "pretty even," which is not perfectly even (duh), but is also not a one-sided domination.

Of course, this is how nuance works. If you are interested in carrying on meaningful conversations with other human beings it would be useful for you to learn how to grasp it.

*sigh*

If you read what I said I said the same thing evenly played but Pittsburgh was better. If one is better how is it even?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

*sigh*



If you read what I said I said the same thing evenly played but Pittsburgh was better. If one is better how is it even?

Wow.

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[Radio]

Seems like you're chasing your tail...if you said the same thing, why are you questioning how Textcritic phrased it?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Radio

Seems like you're chasing your tail...if you said the same thing, why are you questioning how Textcritic phrased it?

No. You see, this is a tacit admission on Waulie's part that he did not, in fact, read my post. He seems to think that "evenly played" and "pretty evenly played" are exactly the same things.

Like I said: he has no grasp of nuance. He is a terrible reader.

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[WhiteTiger]

Fell asleep after the first. We managed to salvage a point, so...huzzah.

[Goriders]

Liking Gilbert of the 3 young defenseman. Think he’s supplanted Mackay.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Flames were 2nd best tonight by a huge margin. Thank Vladar for the point, with a bonus to Tanev and Zad, they were solid as usual.

Whole rest of the team, not good enough, whatsoever. Kadri, pathetic. If he doubled his effort level he wouldn’t even be giving 100% right now. Last couple games this has been starting.

PP awful. 6 minutes left you get a gift and you can’t even get zone time? Pathetic. When that situation comes up in game 7 you need to do some damage.

4th line? Not bad, solid enough, nothing to exceptionally hate tonight.

Huberdeau, some nice passes in the 3rd. Where have those been all year?

Rest of the offense? Not good enough. There’s one guy with skill on this team, nobody else has any.

Thanks Vladar for the point.

Oliver please come back I love you so much

I agree on Kadri. Was thinking the same thing during the game and the shootout sealed it.

Also agree on the pp. it has sucked for a while. Too much talent to be this impotent.

[Manhattanboy]

Nice point, great for Vladar.

Hoping to see more eliteness from Huberdeau soon.

Power play is really disappointing given the talent we have.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

only caught bits . big date night but snuck some glimpses at the tube . from what I saw vladar was magnificent!

we need to ween him on to a bigger workload

riding markstrom makes absolutely no sense with how he fell apart last spring

huberdeau is money in the shootout

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

*sigh*

If you read what I said I said the same thing evenly played but Pittsburgh was better. If one is better how is it even?

Textcritic: *something with nuance*

Paulie: ‘I don't understand this so it must be dumb.’

[Strange Brew]

I didn’t think it was even, or “pretty evenly played” for that matter. Flames had some push in the second but absolutely outplayed in the first and third. Not going to call it a good road game either, it was a shooting gallery there for a while.

But hockey is a funny game, you take your points where you can and never apologize for a good game from your goalie.

[FlamesAddiction]

Still kind of ticked off about the penalty in OT. Seemed pretty weak.

[dino7c]

well that is an over reaction

Tonight's game was fate...Malkin was gonna score the winner, be happy with the point and move on

[GranteedEV]

Vladar showing us that goaltending can actually steal a point.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I’ve been on of the biggest Mangiapane supporters going back to 18-19.

But I’d think about sitting him for a game at this point. He’s just not playing with enough effort or energy.

I think he and Kadri just like too many of the same areas in the offensive zone, so he's struggling to know where to be, and thus second guessing himself. Add in Dube's forechecking and you're really cannibalizing his role.

He's also been rather unfortunate defensively, but I don't know if he has been as consistently bad as it is being made out to seem. That line in general, outside of a few games early on, just has had zero chemistry in the three zones. I think Sutter came into the season with Mangiapane-Kadri as a player pair, and their hot start is masking their aggregate play in his eyes.

If we swap Hubey and Mangiapane, move Dube back to centre, and call up Phillips:

Huberdeau - Kadri - Phillips
Ruzicka - Lindholm - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Lewis/Lucic - Dube - Ritchie

and send Rooney/Mackey to the AHL, I feel like our team will be a lot closer to its potential. With the final domino being a healthy Kylington-Tanev pair by playoff time - remember, this was the objectively the second best defense pair in the NHL last season, only Toews-Makar were more effective.

[SuperMatt18]

Agree 100% with Kadri-Dube-Mangiapane all kind of playing the same areas and getting in each others way.

[Domoic]

Reminder on the Thanksgiving and playoffs stat - it is teams that are >4 points out of a spot at Thanksgiving that have little to no chance in making it. Not that if you are in now or out now that it will stay that way.

So in the West…Ducks, Hawks out. Probably Sharks given how many games they have played. Yotes bubble?

In the East…Sabres, Jackets, Sens out.

[Royle9]

Flames remain right where they were coming into the season.
1 legit top 6 winger from being a better team.

Nobody won the spot in camp, Darryl doesn't want to trust the young guys (Phillips/Zary (who had a great camp btw) Pelltier etc)

• Ruzicka playing well but shouldn't be in your top 6
• Dube also shouldn't be in your top 6, great 3rd line energy guy
• Mangiapane in the worst slump we've seen isn't helping
• Lewis on the 3rd line for most of the season isn't ideal
• Lucic playing top 6 minutes was a mistake

Lines should look something like:
Huberdeau - Kadri - _____
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Toffoli
Dube - Backlund - Coleman
Ritchie - Lewis - Lucic

I find its the top 6 that's the biggest concern, slotting issues because Lindholm and Huberdeau wasn't working and Mang being awful this year has complicated it further.

We need to inject some scoring into those 2 lines big time.
I see no issues in bringing up a Phillips or Zary and giving them TOP 6 MINUTES, not just 8 minutes a night on the 4th line.
Bring up a young guy and put him in a position to show you what he's got over the span of 3-4 games.

I love Daryl, but his lack of trust in young guys is glaringly obvious. Not every player needs to be a 200ft defensive minded player.
Its okay to have an offensive threat who puts up nothing but points and helps the team offensively, that's why you pay the big bucks for defensively gifted forwards like Backlund etc.

Caulfield is the best example of a smaller forward who isn't your 200ft defensively minded winger, but constantly puts up the big goals because he's given the opportunity to do so and it works.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That's awesome. Metrics mean squat when you do not produce. xGF and xGA mean nothing when we have mid offence and bottom feeding defence.

What the hell are you talking about.

Mangiapane over the last 2+ seasons is 71st in the league in five on five point production.

He's not playing well right now for sure, but your narrative is missing badly.

[All In Good Time]

Stop giving Waulie a hard time
It’s not his fault

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Royle9

[*]Ruzicka playing well but shouldn't be in your top 6

Why shouldn't Ruzicka be in your top six? He's looked like a Getzlaf/Wheeler-lite in terms of controlling the puck with his heavy play, and the only thing wrong with his production is that the sample size is small.

Here are the top 96 5v5 producers at forward who have logged 350+ minutes the last two seasons:

Spoiler!

The top ninety six 5v5 producers at forward represent first line production rates in a 32 team league. So far Ruzicka's production does not indicate he "shouldn't be in your top six". And Ruzicka largely played with fourth liners over that sample, only 95-ish minutes come from his time with Toffoli and Lindholm.

Side note, it's kind of cool the Flames drafted five of the guys on that list (Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Ruzicka, Bennett, Mangiapane)