[PGT] Flames lose 6th straight. NJD 3 - CGY 2

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Your post doesn't make any sense, I never said any of those things.

You want to exaggerate to make your point, go for it I guess.

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I said good teams don't have any defensive breakdowns? Like, none?

Where?

I thought you were replying to a different part if my post. My apologies for mis-interpreting your response.

But in this game the Flames had more scoring chances, and more high danger scoring chances by a significant margin, and list 3-2. So I guess I should say it feels like every breakdown ends up in our net.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

You think there are teams that go entire games withoht a single defensive breakdown? Like teams are out there giving up zero high danger shots and just play perfect? There are defensive mistakes in every game,

Breakdowns happen. The amount that's happened during this slump is far too many to expect a goalie to constantly bail the team out. Even if they don't result in shots they create pressure which leads to the chances they do get. Especially when it's two or three turnovers in a row to keep the puck in the zone.

Like I said earlier, we like to make fun of the Oilers for their team defense but the Flames' team defense during this slump has been embarrassing. Yes, they have injury trouble but the forwards are making extremely dumb decisions too.

As long as they keep playing this way it doesn't matter who plays in net.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I thought you were replying to a different part if my post. My apologies for mis-interpreting your response.

But in this game the Flames had more scoring chances, and more high danger scoring chances by a significant margin, and list 3-2. So I guess I should say it feels like every breakdown ends up in our net.

Tbf it also feels like they don’t do anything with their chances.

Whole team sucks right now.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Inferno

As long as they keep playing this way it doesn't matter who plays in net.

You think there's no goalie in the world that would have stopped that 3rd goal?

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Couldn't watch tonight but reading the comments and listening to the post game, it sounds like the Flames are producing results that simply can't continue for long.

Unusually bad goaltending, poor finishing, brain farts, timely penalties against, general lack of cohesion, and they're still competitive in these games.

That actually bodes well when some of these things sort themselves out. The team might just have to set their sights on the 8th seed instead of the first.

The winning goal we got caught and the NJ player had basically a breakaway from the blue line, 1 mistake and it's in the net, the way it's going right now. One of NJ's other goals, one of the callups took a point shot that wasn't hard enough to make it to the net but instead right onto NJ stick and they went on a rush and scored. Those were the 2 mistakes that stood out to me.

We scored 2 PP goals so we are now 5-1 when scoring a PP goal.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Breakdowns happen. The amount that's happened during this slump is far too many to expect a goalie to constantly bail the team out. Even if they don't result in shots they create pressure which leads to the chances they do get. Especially when it's two or three turnovers in a row to keep the puck in the zone.

Like I said earlier, we like to make fun of the Oilers for their team defense but the Flames' team defense during this slump has been embarrassing. Yes, they have injury trouble but the forwards are making extremely dumb decisions too.

As long as they keep playing this way it doesn't matter who plays in net.

The Oilers game up 18 high danger chances tonight and had two goals scored. The Flames gave up 6 high danger chances and had three goals scored.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You think no goalie would have stopped that 3rd goal?

No, it wasn't an unstoppable shot. But the chance should have never happened and was completely unavoidable. And as long as it keeps happening bad things will happen.

[Mindtravellee]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Phillips just scored again for the Wranglers, scoring at a goal-per-game pace with the Wranglers right now

Equal top in AHL points too

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You think there's no goalie in the world that would have stopped that 3rd goal?

Vladar has been worse, and in the unlikely event he was better, we haven’t exactly excelled in OT this week.

[Samonadreau]

I like how it was supposed to be one game a week for Vladar and we are 4 weeks in and hes played 3 games. Not saying Vladar is the answer but the team knows Markstrom needs more rest, acknowledges it, and then doesnt give him rest.

He probably gets a game soon anyway but play Vladar on the Back to backs

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Penalties have been called 15-9 against us in our last three games (all against Eastern teams).

37-23 in the last 9 games

[Zulu29]

Welp. Called the score, just got the teams mixed up. Something has gotta give, this team can’t be this bad.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He said “no it doesn’t” to “The difference is almost every defensive breakdown ends up in the Flames net.”

Sounds like you need a visit to the center for ants.

Can't be mad at a Zoolander reference.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

But in this game the Flames had more scoring chances, and more high danger scoring chances by a significant margin, and list 3-2. So I guess I should say it feels like every breakdown ends up in our net.

It’s a 3-2 league, that’s just reality.

Teams average about 32 shots per game, and goalies average about a .905 save percentage.

If you get better than a .920 save percentage you generally win if you get worse than a .900 you generally lose.

Flames have had a save percentage over .900 three times this season! (Knights, Hurricanes, Penguins)

They have had the higher save percentage three times this season! (Avs, Hurricanes, Penguins)

I’ll say it again but based on our shooting and save percentage it’s remarkable that we are 5-5-2.

We should probably be 3-8-0 or 3-9-0 like the Blue Jackets or Blues with the type of goaltending and shooting percentage we’ve had this year.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

The Oilers game up 18 high danger chances tonight and had two goals scored. The Flames gave up 6 high danger chances and had three goals scored.

If it's a high danger chance, by definition it has better odds of going in than being saved. You give high danger chances you're going to get scored on, I feel better knowing it was high danger chances instead of low percentage shots going in.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Breakdowns happen. The amount that's happened during this slump is far too many to expect a goalie to constantly bail the team out.

Is it, though?

Or does it subjectively feel that way because our goalie isn't making saves?

I agree that when this team plays its best, they give up virtually nothing.

But this team should not need to play at that elite level every game to have a chance.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Tbf it also feels like they don’t do anything with their chances.

Whole team sucks right now.

Agreed.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Breakdowns happen. The amount that's happened during this slump is far too many to expect a goalie to constantly bail the team out. Even if they don't result in shots they create pressure which leads to the chances they do get. Especially when it's two or three turnovers in a row to keep the puck in the zone.

Like I said earlier, we like to make fun of the Oilers for their team defense but the Flames' team defense during this slump has been embarrassing. Yes, they have injury trouble but the forwards are making extremely dumb decisions too.

As long as they keep playing this way it doesn't matter who plays in net.

But this is just false. Based on high danger chances per 60 and scoring chances per 60 they have been fine.

The goalies are just letting more in so it feels like the defense is worse.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I like how it was supposed to be one game a week for Vladar and we are 4.5 weeks in and hes played 3 games. Not saying Vladar is the answer but the team knows Markstrom needs more rest, acknowledges it, and then doesnt give him rest.

i think because vlad gets the game against his former team.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

The Oilers game up 18 high danger chances tonight and had two goals scored. The Flames gave up 6 high danger chances and had three goals scored.

You care way too much about stats. Not every high danger scoring chance is the same. It's about quality not quantity.

All that the Flames allowing six high danger chances mean is that the Devils held onto the puck more than the Lightning did. The Flames' team defense was still horrid.