11-07-2022, 03:00 PM
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#181
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by dino7c
No, they got him for his prime years from another team...that is an example the other way
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But the Flames gave Mullen away at a stage of his career when he could still score 30-40 goals in a season and contribute to a Stanley Cup win for a draft pick that never came close to the NHL.
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11-07-2022, 03:13 PM
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#182
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Steve Bozek
But the Flames gave Mullen away at a stage of his career when he could still score 30-40 goals in a season and contribute to a Stanley Cup win for a draft pick that never came close to the NHL.
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His best season and playoffs and cup win was with the Flames and they got him from St. Louis
He also asked to be traded out east for family reasons
Last edited by dino7c; 11-07-2022 at 03:15 PM.
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11-07-2022, 03:14 PM
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#183
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Mathgod
So when teams chose not to try to claim him, they didn't know Arizona was claiming him?
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yes, teams never know until after...you put in a claim and hope nobody ahead of you does. Only Arizona put in a claim in this case.
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11-07-2022, 05:38 PM
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#184
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by dino7c
His best season and playoffs and cup win was with the Flames and they got him from St. Louis
He also asked to be traded out east for family reasons
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And Cup wins with the Penguins. It was a lousy trade of a great player.
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11-07-2022, 05:48 PM
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#185
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
I'm just saying that from a risk-reward standpoint, it made more sense to keep Valimaki over Mackey. One guy is 24, with a potentially a high ceiling. The other player is 26 with a "meh" ceiling. To take the meh player because he's played a better "last 80 games" over the guy with substantially more upside (and at 24 y/o, more time to reach that upside) is really odd asset management to me, especially when you're talking about a #8 defensemen.
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They already factored age and potential in. If Valimaki was 26 and undrafted, he would be fighting for a spot in Rapid City.
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11-08-2022, 04:42 AM
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#186
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Steve Bozek
And Cup wins with the Penguins. It was a lousy trade of a great player.
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Word at the time was that Mullen wanted out of Calgary. It was said that he and McCrimmon were the ringleaders in the team quitting on Terry Crisp during the 1990 playoffs.
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11-08-2022, 06:56 AM
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#187
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
I'm just saying that from a risk-reward standpoint, it made more sense to keep Valimaki over Mackey. One guy is 24, with a potentially a high ceiling. The other player is 26 with a "meh" ceiling. To take the meh player because he's played a better "last 80 games" over the guy with substantially more upside (and at 24 y/o, more time to reach that upside) is really odd asset management to me, especially when you're talking about a #8 defensemen.
It's like if I gave you the choice of 50% chance of winning $100 or a 10% chance of winning $100,000. Assuming you're not in a rough financial position, the correct decision is typically to take the option with a higher expected value.
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Valimaki had a high ceiling. I don't think his ceiling is any higher than Mackey's at this point, and his floor seems to be quite a bit lower. It is unfortunate as it seems injuries and perhaps confidence issues have derailed him as a higher end prospect.
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11-08-2022, 08:12 AM
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#188
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Word at the time was that Mullen wanted out of Calgary. It was said that he and McCrimmon were the ringleaders in the team quitting on Terry Crisp during the 1990 playoffs.
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Which for some reason has been a big part of this franchise’s history. Quitting on the coach.
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11-08-2022, 08:24 AM
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#189
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Which for some reason has been a big part of this franchise’s history. Quitting on the coach.
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This happens to all teams.
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11-08-2022, 10:08 AM
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#190
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Word at the time was that Mullen wanted out of Calgary. It was said that he and McCrimmon were the ringleaders in the team quitting on Terry Crisp during the 1990 playoffs.
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It was still a terrible trade - a consistent 30-40 goal scorer for a magic bean.
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11-08-2022, 08:00 PM
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#191
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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11-08-2022, 08:36 PM
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#192
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by VilleN
Valimaki had a high ceiling. I don't think his ceiling is any higher than Mackey's at this point, and his floor seems to be quite a bit lower. It is unfortunate as it seems injuries and perhaps confidence issues have derailed him as a higher end prospect.
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Seriously? If you really think Valimaki doesn't have a higher ceiling than Mackey, I really don't know what to say. He always has had a higher ceiling and is clearly showing it right now.
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12-11-2022, 11:33 PM
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#193
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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It looks like Val might be slowly losing favour in Arizona. Tonight, he played 10:32, after playing 8:37 last game. The 3 games prior were 15:16, 12:19, and 11:15. In the span of these 5 games, Val has 1 assist, and is -5. In 4 of those games, Arizona used 7 D. Not sure if he's trying to play through an injury....
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12-11-2022, 11:39 PM
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#194
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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I think it primarily has to do with Chychrun coming back from injury. We'll see what happens. From my vantage point he hasn't been bad, he's just been used as the 7D.
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12-11-2022, 11:49 PM
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#195
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Maybe he just is what he is; a bottom pairing guy on a bad team and not in the top 6 on a good team. There was a lot of appointing him as a decent NHL defenceman after like 5-10 games in this thread.
Hope for his sakehe has it figured out and can stick in the league.
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12-11-2022, 11:56 PM
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#196
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I think if you're the 7th D on a team like the Arizona Coyotes, doesn't that put you in the same class as "glorified AHLer"?
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12-12-2022, 02:02 AM
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#197
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I wouldn’t be surprised if he found himself as the late UFA signing each year finding himself on a team in need of defensive help. And honestly no shame in being that NHL journeyman.
At the same time the last Flames captain was only cementing himself as more than an NHL player at around the same age and Valimaki has “excuses” for his poor development due to injuries.
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12-12-2022, 05:23 AM
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#198
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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This was bound to happen, as the Coyotes are allocating the ice time to Chychrun to pump his tires. Also doesn’t help they’ve got Ghost and Moser to give ice time too.
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12-12-2022, 07:26 AM
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#199
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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I noticed he was at the bottom of the pile in the Calgary game for xGF% at 29.4% when I did the game story. He was then 18% in Edmonton and then 41% at home to Boston. Much better in his last game.
Arizona can be out played though so probably better to look at relative numbers.
He was -19% in the Calgary game and -26% in the Edmonton games ... so clearly a struggle, +16% in the last two games.
I think he's an NHLer, especially on a team not heading to the playoffs, but maybe not the player that he looked to be with the new guy smell on him. Happens. Wish him well, good dude.
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12-12-2022, 07:50 AM
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#200
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
yes, teams never know until after...you put in a claim and hope nobody ahead of you does. Only Arizona put in a claim in this case.
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I didn't think they released that info, as to how many teams put in a claim. I thought they only announced the successful claimant?
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